Could there Be Some Positive Here ?

[cuzinvinny]

Just sitting here thinking about how pissed this free agency is getting me and I thought , we are tearing down this team and not building. Getting rid of young players going into their prime,, signings with easy out contracts beneficial to the team for the future ? I think the Mario signing fooled me because it look as if we were going for it again which I'm beginning to feel that maybe we are finally tearing things apart to start a legitimate new start ,,,,God knows thats what we need....

Not easy changing from 40 years of lets win, to tear it all apart and rebuild and experience a losing season without the illusion of having a chance. IF this is happening consciously I'd give Tannenbomb a lot of credit for it's way way over due... and hopefully the rest of the staff will have more influence as to who to go after in the future...

Just seems to be the only thing that I can figure out that makes some kind of sense to the moves we are making.... This team needed to many holes filled before FA...and now we need even more....

What do ya think ...possible ?????

 

[aquabob]

If we were truly rebuilding, I would think we would have taken the Suh hit this year, so that his cap number is more manageable in the future?

 

[jetsh8r]

Positive that someone here was thinking "glad all that Ireland draft trash is leaving Miami".

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[hammond47]

I think you were right initially when we signed Mario. They are going for it this year, and definitely aren't rebuilding. Letting 4 up and coming players go who are all under 25 isnt rebuilding. They were targetting Pacman and Forte yesterday - definitely not rebuilding. They might be forced to look like they are rebuilding if they keep striking out on guys and have to fill all of their needs in the draft.

 

[cuzinvinny]

If we were truly rebuilding, I would think we would have taken the Suh hit this year, so that his cap number is more manageable in the future?

All this cap stuff and contract ins and outs I have to admit I know little about but feel that one good thing about the Organization is they usually give us some protection with a reasonable get out of jail free down the road... if they have just this year come to the realization that even God couldn't rebuild this team with out working on Sunday ,came to the new conclusion of redoing it all...man I want so much for that to finally start instead of this same 1 step forward 2 steps back routine we go through every year....

 

[jetsh8r]

I'm going to be positive with all the moved we made so far and be negative about the oline until I'm positive we didnt fuqq ourselves yesterday.

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[lynx]

As long as the coaching staff realizes we need to upgrade the OLine (how could they not), I'm good with our season so far.

 

[cuzinvinny]

I think you were right initially when we signed Mario. They are going for it this year, and definitely aren't rebuilding. Letting 4 up and coming players go who are all under 25 isnt rebuilding. They were targetting Pacman and Forte yesterday - definitely not rebuilding. They might be forced to look like they are rebuilding if they keep striking out on guys and have to fill all of their needs in the draft.

Like to look at the release of the 4 up comers as realization that they would need to be replaced by the time we actually became competitive. Another two three years on Lamar, OV was just to expensive for were we are ...I don't know maybe I'm just trying to find so level of sanity here and I'm pissen into the wind....

 

[BillsFanInPeace]

If you really look at it your treading water.

Lose Young Vernon, Replace with older Mario
Lose Young Shelby, maybe replace with Ayers

Lose Older CB on big contract and a nuts wife, Replace with a No 2 CB on a Bad contract that you fell out of top 10 for.

Lose productive but under utilized Miller looking to replace with CJ Anderson.

There is change and turnover but did it actuslly make Fins better

 

[AL R]

I think you were right initially when we signed Mario. They are going for it this year, and definitely aren't rebuilding. Letting 4 up and coming players go who are all under 25 isnt rebuilding. They were targetting Pacman and Forte yesterday - definitely not rebuilding. They might be forced to look like they are rebuilding if they keep striking out on guys and have to fill all of their needs in the draft.

I get your point but you would have had to see the structure of the contracts they offered to players like Pacman (maybe they had easy out) which could be why they choose not to come here. Its a possibility almost like a transitonal phase of the roster.

The young players leaving, yes that is true, but again in their minds they may have overpriced themselves in what the FO thought value was. Also, we have to remember that its a two way street I dont think Shelby or Rishard really wanted to come back.

 

[Tannchise]

Here is what I think needs to be done. Not sure if it is possible, from a cap sense, but it is future thinking:

Trade Suh. The cap numbers over the next 5 years are just stunning. We made a mistake. This mistake is costing us this year with our own free agents and one's from the outside. It will cause the same issues for years to come. What does that mean? It means when we do draft right, we won't be able to retain those players. Combine that with bad selections, and what sort of a semblance of a team do we really have? I look at the Maxwell deal. Why can't we eat some salary and trade Suh too? In one-two years his deal will be a DEAL. The market is viable - Jax and NYG obviously were in a bidding war and Oakland seems they want to spend. Suh is a player you pay for when you are one player away. Not when you have every hole to fill and have doubts if you have a franchise qb. Years of winning the free agency super bowl are now replaced with barely participating. Miami must get all it can from the draft and cheaper alternatives. But that's scary, if they can't keep their own they draft. I wish they had approached (and maybe will have to) OV and Miller a season ago.

 

[AL R]

If you really look at it your treading water.

Lose Young Vernon, Replace with older Mario
Lose Young Shelby, maybe replace with Ayers

Lose Older CB on big contract and a nuts wife, Replace with a No 2 CB on a Bad contract that you fell out of top 10 for.

Lose productive but under utilized Miller looking to replace with CJ Anderson.

There is change and turnover but did it actuslly make Fins better

Doubt you will find anyone that said we are better, but as you say treading water during a transition phase of the roster rebuild. I could be totally wrong but its the only way I understand the plan.

 

[MARINO1384]

Here is what I think needs to be done. Not sure if it is possible, from a cap sense, but it is future thinking:

Trade Suh. The cap numbers over the next 5 years are just stunning. We made a mistake. This mistake is costing us this year with our own free agents and one's from the outside. It will cause the same issues for years to come. What does that mean? It means when we do draft right, we won't be able to retain those players. Combine that with bad selections, and what sort of a semblance of a team do we really have? I look at the Maxwell deal. Why can't we eat some salary and trade Suh too? In one-two years his deal will be a DEAL. The market is viable - Jax and NYG obviously were in a bidding war and Oakland seems they want to spend. Suh is a player you pay for when you are one player away. Not when you have every hole to fill and have doubts if you have a franchise qb. Years of winning the free agency super bowl are now replaced with barely participating. Miami must get all it can from the draft and cheaper alternatives. But that's scary, if they can't keep their own they draft. I wish they had approached (and maybe will have to) OV and Miller a season ago.

Yeah lets trade suh... That 40 million in dead cap will save us greatly...

 

[Vaark]

If you really look at it your treading water.

Lose Young Vernon, Replace with older Mario
Lose Young Shelby, maybe replace with Ayers

Lose Older CB on big contract and a nuts wife, Replace with a No 2 CB on a Bad contract that you fell out of top 10 for.

Lose productive but under utilized Miller looking to replace with CJ Anderson.

There is change and turnover but did it actuslly make Fins better

Likewise, to quote George Santayana: "He who ignores history is doomed to repeat it."

Rob Ryan: fired from last 2 jobs for cause;
Rex Ryan: fired from last job for cause/almost fired last season if not for his contract.

So maybe you should worry about your own house of cards first...

 

[BillsFanInPeace]

Doubt you will find anyone that said we are better, but as you say treading water during a transition phase of the roster rebuild. I could be totally wrong but its the only way I understand the plan.

But the Front Office isn't using it that way. If it was a true transitional phase they should not have kicked the Suh can down the road. I would have only kicked thay Suh can down the road if you were going to re-sign some of your own young talent.

Instead you lose flexibility down the road when it may be needed no a decision will really loom on Suh where if you would have taken that hit now there really is not a hard decision with him in future.