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Could we have possibly drafted the "new Richard Sherman"?

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Tony lippett. I'm not saying he's going to be nearly as good(maybe he will be) But the similarities are crazy. Richard Sherman was drafted 5th round 154 overall. Lippett was selected 5th round 156 overall. They were both two way players in college and both top wide receiver recruits that switched to cb.
 
I thought of that. then I thought of our record of coaching young CB's vs the Seahawks and I quickly didn't care
 
Yep. We also drafted the next Brent Grimes. Parker is the next AJ Green. Looking good this year!
 
This is where we don't have to guess as much anymore, thanks to the specialized websites of Seahawk fans. They've already done the roster mirroring and provided the guys who fit. It is exponentially more sophisticated than what round a guy was picked, and whether or not he was a 2-way player. I don't mean any offense by that. I'm not capable of doing the analysis these sites have done. As long as it's out there, and free, we might as well read and absorb.

The closest parallel to Sherman this year supposedly was a cornerback from Fresno State named Riley who went undrafted and was signed by the Titans. Apparently the Seahawks didn't love him because they didn't select him, although they did pick two defensive backs very late who fit their criteria, and supposedly they love them as prospects. The general manager Schneider is so enthused about one of them -- Tye Smith from Towson -- that he hinted he had a projected comparison to a current NFL star but didn't want to say it, to avoid putting too much pressure on the kid. Seattle websites already investigated the matter. They think the comparison is Joe Haden.

http://3sigmaathlete.com/2015/04/27/the-seahawky-cornerbacks-in-the-2015-nfl-draft/

Again, not all of this is pure metrics. Desire plays a huge role. The Seahawks want self motivated guys. That's where the Dolphins deviated this year with the choice of Jordan Phillips. He had the highest percentage of body fat of any player at the combine, nearly 31 percent. To quote a scout from Nolan Nawrocki's draft preview guide: "He didn't play with a consistent motor. That was the reason they didn't play him every down -- stamina and intelligence....If he played hard, he is a first rounder."

Lippett does have nice arm length for a cornerback, above 32 inches, unlike McCain at 30.5.

You can find Lippett's test numbers on the table at this link. He didn't perform like a special athlete. I looked at it quickly the other day. He lagged by one or two tenths in all the categories you can't afford to lag by one or two tenths.

http://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/wr/
 
miamb113 said:
Tony lippett. I'm not saying he's going to be nearly as good(maybe he will be) But the similarities are crazy. Richard Sherman was drafted 5th round 154 overall. Lippett was selected 5th round 156 overall. They were both two way players in college and both top wide receiver recruits that switched to cb.
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The unrealistic expectations that come afterward are my favorite part of the draft.
Richard Sherman... :rotfl1::possum4286:
 
Did we even draft him to play corner? He looked pretty damn good at wide out at Michigan St.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
This is where we don't have to guess as much anymore, thanks to the specialized websites of Seahawk fans. They've already done the roster mirroring and provided the guys who fit. It is exponentially more sophisticated than what round a guy was picked, and whether or not he was a 2-way player. I don't mean any offense by that. I'm not capable of doing the analysis these sites have done. As long as it's out there, and free, we might as well read and absorb.

The closest parallel to Sherman this year supposedly was a cornerback from Fresno State named Riley who went undrafted and was signed by the Titans. Apparently the Seahawks didn't love him because they didn't select him, although they did pick two defensive backs very late who fit their criteria, and supposedly they love them as prospects. The general manager Schneider is so enthused about one of them -- Tye Smith from Towson -- that he hinted he had a projected comparison to a current NFL star but didn't want to say it, to avoid putting too much pressure on the kid. Seattle websites already investigated the matter. They think the comparison is Joe Haden.

http://3sigmaathlete.com/2015/04/27/the-seahawky-cornerbacks-in-the-2015-nfl-draft/

Again, not all of this is pure metrics. Desire plays a huge role. The Seahawks want self motivated guys. That's where the Dolphins deviated this year with the choice of Jordan Phillips. He had the highest percentage of body fat of any player at the combine, nearly 31 percent. To quote a scout from Nolan Nawrocki's draft preview guide: "He didn't play with a consistent motor. That was the reason they didn't play him every down -- stamina and intelligence....If he played hard, he is a first rounder."

Lippett does have nice arm length for a cornerback, above 32 inches, unlike McCain at 30.5.

You can find Lippett's test numbers on the table at this link. He didn't perform like a special athlete. I looked at it quickly the other day. He lagged by one or two tenths in all the categories you can't afford to lag by one or two tenths.

http://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/wr/
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:lol:@the next Aj Green, Grimes and Sherman... Can these guys play a game first before we label them pro bowlers? Lippett may not even make the team.. I like this draft just like every one else, but let's wait before we anoint them the next anything.
 
I definitely didn't think Lippett will become a dominant corner. I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Typically, bigger corners suffer from quickness issues. They change direction slowly, and really need long speed and good hips to prevent losing deep. They are the football equivalent to the tennis player whose game is all serve and volley. Big serve (5 yard bump), and then to mask their lack of CoD skills they crowd the net (bump and run) trying desperately to keep the WR close. If they can do thst, their long arms can break up the pass. If not, then it all falls on a good safety to stop the touchdown. That's why those big lanky guys tend to be press man corners.

We don't play much press man. We play the much more difficult off man. That means doing all the same things WITHOUT using hands and shoulders to disrupt past 5 yards. It's faaaaaaaaaaar more demanding and why our big corners typically struggle.

In a press man Lippett may make a roster. But I doubt he realizes his potential in the Dolphins off man scheme. Our scheme is a better fit for a small ultra quick baller like Grimes ... and McCain.

Still, I hope I'm wrong and you are right. I hope Lippett defies the odds and becomes the next Sherman.
 
ITS!MATEO said:
:lol:@the next Aj Green, Grimes and Sherman... Can these guys play a game first before we label them pro bowlers? Lippett may not even make the team.. I like this draft just like every one else, but let's wait before we anoint them the next anything.
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W also got the next Marshawn Lynch, Zack Martin, Ed reed etc
 
80% chance he is not even on the roster by the time the season starts, Psh Richard Sherman good one.:lol:
 
Awsi Dooger said:
This is where we don't have to guess as much anymore, thanks to the specialized websites of Seahawk fans. They've already done the roster mirroring and provided the guys who fit. It is exponentially more sophisticated than what round a guy was picked, and whether or not he was a 2-way player. I don't mean any offense by that. I'm not capable of doing the analysis these sites have done. As long as it's out there, and free, we might as well read and absorb.

The closest parallel to Sherman this year supposedly was a cornerback from Fresno State named Riley who went undrafted and was signed by the Titans. Apparently the Seahawks didn't love him because they didn't select him, although they did pick two defensive backs very late who fit their criteria, and supposedly they love them as prospects. The general manager Schneider is so enthused about one of them -- Tye Smith from Towson -- that he hinted he had a projected comparison to a current NFL star but didn't want to say it, to avoid putting too much pressure on the kid. Seattle websites already investigated the matter. They think the comparison is Joe Haden.

http://3sigmaathlete.com/2015/04/27/the-seahawky-cornerbacks-in-the-2015-nfl-draft/

Again, not all of this is pure metrics. Desire plays a huge role. The Seahawks want self motivated guys. That's where the Dolphins deviated this year with the choice of Jordan Phillips. He had the highest percentage of body fat of any player at the combine, nearly 31 percent. To quote a scout from Nolan Nawrocki's draft preview guide: "He didn't play with a consistent motor. That was the reason they didn't play him every down -- stamina and intelligence....If he played hard, he is a first rounder."

Lippett does have nice arm length for a cornerback, above 32 inches, unlike McCain at 30.5.

You can find Lippett's test numbers on the table at this link. He didn't perform like a special athlete. I looked at it quickly the other day. He lagged by one or two tenths in all the categories you can't afford to lag by one or two tenths.

http://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/wr/
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This is fascinating insight. (probably would be easier discussion if collated into one thread)
And certainly it is interesting to see how such a successful organization looks at talent acquisition question.

That said when you think about it another way it is foolish.
By sticking to some strict cookie cutter pattern of physical dimensions you are excluding many potentially exceptional people.
Is it Sherman's wingspan or cone time that make him a remarkable talent? No it is his grit, determination and intelligence.
So is it better to get a physical copy of Sherman without necessarily the intangible qualities or a player who lacks the exact wingspan but has the intangibles? Such as a Brent Grimes.

Now you clearly see a kinship with this metrics based method since it so elegantly aligns with your worldview.

One place where this type of methodology is beneficial is coaching. If all your cornerbacks are the essentially physical duplicates of each other probably easier to put some specific system in place.
 
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