Daunte basically had two bad games

[thepoolboy]

Love boat and all that other BS aside, the reality is Daunte only had two bad games - the first two. In Minnesota's first two games, he threw eight interceptions against zero touchdowns. However, during those two games, he passed at a rate of 61% for 234.5 ypg. If he is throwing that accurately and still getting picked off at the rate he was, I'm sure other factors were at play. During the next four (excluding the Carolina game) he passed at a rate of 65% for an average of 266 ypg with a TD/Int ratio of 6/4 - far more in line with what should be expected.

IMO, if healthy, Daunte is one the top passers in the game and in terms of pure talent, may only be rivalled by Manning or McNabb. One ability Daunte gives us is the ability to win games via pure passing ability alone - I do not feel Brees gives us this option. Two seasons ago, Daunte was viewed as being the second-best QB in the league and, if healthy, may return to that form. Given his contract demands will be lower than Brees, a second or third would not be too much compensation for such a player.

 

[PressCoverage]

Only Manning or McNabb, huh? You can have all three. I'll take Brady.

As for two bad games, try taking a look at his playoff numbers. Now there's two bad games.

 

[finfan54]

Love boat and all that other BS aside, the reality is Daunte only had two bad games - the first two. In Minnesota's first two games, he threw eight interceptions against zero touchdowns. However, during those two games, he passed at a rate of 61% for 234.5 ypg. If he is throwing that accurately and still getting picked off at the rate he was, I'm sure other factors were at play. During the next four (excluding the Carolina game) he passed at a rate of 65% for an average of 266 ypg with a TD/Int ratio of 6/4 - far more in line with what should be expected.

IMO, if healthy, Daunte is one the top passers in the game and in terms of pure talent, may only be rivalled by Manning or McNabb. One ability Daunte gives us is the ability to win games via pure passing ability alone - I do not feel Brees gives us this option. Two seasons ago, Daunte was viewed as being the second-best QB in the league and, if healthy, may return to that form. Given his contract demands will be lower than Brees, a second or third would not be too much compensation for such a player.

The reality is that Culpepper has a serious knee injury. The facts are that Minny now wants to get rid of him. The facts are they want a 2nd round pick and wont let us examine him. The facts are that this injury is more serious due to his weight and so what you are buying is a risk in the long term as it pertains to what you pay for him. His play is well documented, but thats not why he is in this situation.

 

[perezferia]

The reality is that Culpepper has a serious knee injury. The facts are that Minny now wants to get rid of him. The facts are they want a 2nd round pick and wont let us examine him. The facts are that this injury is more serious due to his weight and so what you are buying is a risk in the long term as it pertains to what you pay for him. His play is well documented, but thats not why he is in this situation.

The reality is also that the same doctor that operated on Chad Penington did Drew Brees surgery and we may be paying 10 million guaranteed money to a guy that's gonna be launching wounded ducks into the sky ala Pennington. Daunte has a severe knee injury and is a heavy dude so THAT works against him.

The problem is that doing NOTHING is not a solution. We draft #16 not #6 so if we're going to TRY to upgrade then we have to go with what's out there. Sure, we'll draft a QB to come in and be the #3 guy for a while and we'll take our chances with LEMON as the backup.

But with no other proven guys out there we have to choose from the scrap heap and that's Culpepper and Brees.

Personally, I've been going back and forth. Culpepper has more passing ability but is as smart as a bag of hair. Brees is a Fiedler type of game manager but makes few mistakes and delivers the ball on time.

Culpepper may not walk right for a LONG time and Brees may NEVER throw right again...

It's a tough one. But that's why we have SABAN. He's made that call. Brees, and if not Brees then CULPEPPER. If not him then McCown. That's it. If it's McCown, look for Saban to keep Gus and let the two compete for a starting job next year, but if it's Brees or Culpepper then Frerrotte is gone.

I knw that these points have been said and re-said over and over again but it bears mentioning.

Finally the reason Drew Brees is hesitating is a simple one. He doesn't know HOW he's gonna be after this surgery. And this may be the last contract he ever signs. That's what no one is saying.

So, does he bet on his own ability to come back and have a career and sign with the Dolphins or sign with New Orleans and take the money and run?

Does HE believe he can still play?

We'll all know tomorrow, for sure!

GO PHINS!

 

[thepoolboy]

The reality is that Culpepper has a serious knee injury. The facts are that Minny now wants to get rid of him. The facts are they want a 2nd round pick and wont let us examine him. The facts are that this injury is more serious due to his weight and so what you are buying is a risk in the long term as it pertains to what you pay for him. His play is well documented, but thats not why he is in this situation.

One issue of concern with Brees over Culpepper is that Culpepper wrecked his knee on October 30th whereas Brees wrecked his shoulder on December 31st. Culpepper will have two more months of rehab over Brees and I'm sure that counts for something (severity of the injuries aside).

What bothers me is the fact that Brees wrecked his throwing shoulder as opposed to Culpepper wrecking his knee. I'm no surgeon but the last time I checked, the throwing arm was the most important physical tool for a QB. I would just feel more content going with Culpepper knowing his throwing arm is sound.

 

[Marino13fanboy1]

Culpepper was arguably the best QB along with Peyton just 2 seasons ago. Imagine what he can do with Mularkey in the Miami offense, considering what Mularkey did with KORDELL STEWART and TOMMY MADDOX.

I'll take Culpepper, no problem!!! Last season for Daunte was just a blip. He's still got it!!! Imagine him chucking it DEEP to Chambers.

 

[nyjunc]

The reality is Daunte always folds in big spots, #s wise he may not have had many bad games but this game is not about #s it's about wins and about making plays when your team needs you the most which is why Brady is by far the best QB in the game and Ben is rising fast. So far in his career Daunte has been a great fantasy QB but he doesn't win and he has had the benefit of playing in a terrible div and terrible conf plus now he is coming off major knee surgery whoch will take away his legs which he uses as a major weapon.

 

[DBoston80]

...maybe but the same can be said for the belovved Mcnaab...his numbers in NFC title games are laughable and we all saw what happened in the Super Bowl...so IMO Mcnaab is not better than Culpepper.

 

[nyjunc]

...maybe but the same can be said for the belovved Mcnaab...his numbers in NFC title games are laughable and we all saw what happened in the Super Bowl...so IMO Mcnaab is not better than Culpepper.

The thing is at least McNabb got his team to 4 title games and a SB. Culpepper made 1 title game and had a 13 rating against a mediocre giants team. He didn't face the '86 Giants. In 5 full years as a starter in a pathetic div and conf he made the playoffs just twice and one of thsoe times was at 8-8 and he tried to send Minny home but the NFC was so pathetic they let him in. He put up 10 pts in the competitive portion of their week 17 game at Wash(they scored 17 but acored a TD w/ 2 secs left) and a loss should have eliminated them but the NFC had 2 8-8 teams. The year before he needed a W at Arizona who had given up 33 pts/gm for 8 weeks and he led them to 17 in a loss. He's not a big game QB, he can have all the #s he wants but this game is about winning. As big a choker as Manning is at least he gets his team to the playoffs in the much tougher AFC. Marino neevr won a SB but he brough his teams to the playoffs alot and didn't have a Randy Moss, Cris Carter or Robert Smith to play w/.

 

[Puffboy(ricky)]

That thread title is completely untrue and there is no way you watch daunte play last year. Look at his game by game stats and that doesn't even nearly show how bad he was in those games. You had to watch to see that his play was horrid

 

[NJFINSFAN1]

Love boat and all that other BS aside, the reality is Daunte only had two bad games - the first two. In Minnesota's first two games, he threw eight interceptions against zero touchdowns. However, during those two games, he passed at a rate of 61% for 234.5 ypg. If he is throwing that accurately and still getting picked off at the rate he was, I'm sure other factors were at play. During the next four (excluding the Carolina game) he passed at a rate of 65% for an average of 266 ypg with a TD/Int ratio of 6/4 - far more in line with what should be expected.

IMO, if healthy, Daunte is one the top passers in the game and in terms of pure talent, may only be rivalled by Manning or McNabb. One ability Daunte gives us is the ability to win games via pure passing ability alone - I do not feel Brees gives us this option. Two seasons ago, Daunte was viewed as being the second-best QB in the league and, if healthy, may return to that form. Given his contract demands will be lower than Brees, a second or third would not be too much compensation for such a player.

uuummmm:eek:

He had a heck of a lot more then 2 bad games.

 

[LarryFinFan]

One issue of concern with Brees over Culpepper is that Culpepper wrecked his knee on October 30th whereas Brees wrecked his shoulder on December 31st. Culpepper will have two more months of rehab over Brees and I'm sure that counts for something (severity of the injuries aside).

What bothers me is the fact that Brees wrecked his throwing shoulder as opposed to Culpepper wrecking his knee. I'm no surgeon but the last time I checked, the throwing arm was the most important physical tool for a QB. I would just feel more content going with Culpepper knowing his throwing arm is sound.

What you failed to mention is the severity of the injuries...Culpeppers knee will/could take as much as a calendar year to recover (according to his doctor). Brees doctor expects him to be recovered by mid-August...The question of whether either will return to where they were before won't be answered by us or doctors or Saban or Payton...it'll be answered by Brees or Culpepper when they actually play...

You also failed to mention Culpeppers character...the love boat, the locker room dissention he was part of, demanding a trade because he felt the money wasn't good enough...it all adds up to a low character individual...

While reason tells you that a shoulder injury is more detrimental to a QB, if he recovers 100%, then what would the difference be ?? We have to assume, since none of us know that if Saban signs Brees, the doctors feel Brees will be healthy.

The other issue is simply put as cost...it's cheaper to sign Brees to $10 mil guaranteed/$55 overall than it is to pay Culpepper virtually the same and have to give up a high round draft pick...That 2nd or 3rd round draft pick we have to give up represents another starter on the team....that we'd have to get via FA, so the cost of signing Culpepper is the salary of a FA starter elsewhere on the team plus the salary of Culpepper...

In this case, assuming the doctors think Brees will recover well enough, I choose Brees...simple matter of cost and character...

 

[Eric-Honduras]

Im back and forth on this issue also.

Pros for Culpepper
--Cost a draft pick
--Even if he never plays again..there is no cap hit (because the Vikings will take the hit for any guaranteed money the minute he is traded.) we can release him at any time.
--If the Dolphins are using same offensive playbook , terms as last year ..wouldnt Duante already know the system.


Cons for Brees
--May never play the same. Could be out for the first year. Hurt our cap if this happens.


Man i dont know... but i trust Saban at this point...

 

[JoeNamathSucked]

uuummmm:eek:

He had a heck of a lot more then 2 bad games.

Not true.

Culpepper was starting to put it together again after those first 2 games.

From week 3-8 Culpepper completed 65.8% of his passes, averaged 7.5 yards per attempt and posted a 6/4 TD/INT. Last years numbers are extremely skewed because he only played 6 games (only 4 attempts in his 7th game) and 2 of those games were some of the worst games he played in his entire career.

 

[NYNCDOLFAN]

Culpepper was arguably the best QB along with Peyton just 2 seasons ago. Imagine what he can do with Mularkey in the Miami offense, considering what Mularkey did with KORDELL STEWART and TOMMY MADDOX.

I'll take Culpepper, no problem!!! Last season for Daunte was just a blip. He's still got it!!! Imagine him chucking it DEEP to Chambers.

:eek: the best QB the past 2 seasons??? Come on. He did nothing without MOSS, plain and simple. His knee was torn in half, he won't be ready till at least oct. Are you willing to have someone else play half the year then throw him in the mix and hope his knee holds up? Not me, I wanna win a championship.... and so many say no to T.O. but this guy is a borderline rapist!!!