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Dave Hyde nails it.

You don’t want to read it because it counters your narrative. Same old tired refrain, and you’re about the only one saying it now. None of the Miami media is saying it, none of the connected National sports media or scouts are saying it and only a few peripheral mock sites are saying it. Just you. Go ahead and ride this horse till it dies but it ain’t happening dude.

Of course it does, and I will admit to that. If by Miami media you are referring to Omar Kelly, or Armando then there isn't much credibility there. I respect Hyde, and I read his articles for the last few years. Finheaven is making me not read Hyde now up until the draft comes because it seems like he is in the Smith/Chase kool aid juice.
 
Our line still ranked 28th best in the league. What point are you trying to make then? I get what you are trying to say, yes we drafted offensive linemen, but that doesn't changes the fact that our offensive line requires more work. We were so horrible in 2019 that the ceiling was set so low for 2020. Our offensive line did look at lot better, but that is also due to the fact that our offensive play calling contributed to that as well. The Chargers had a more horrible offensive line than we did, and they were still able to put up offensive numbers better than we did. Does that make sense brother?
My point is stop trying to fix something that might already be fixed. And if you're 100% some of those new parts wont work, get the parts for fixing those in FA where your much more likely to know exactly what you are getting...
 
All roads lead to one question in the Miami Dolphins draft: Do they keep the No. 3 pick and swing for the greatness of Louisiana State receiver Ja’Marr Chase? Or trade down to a team needing a quarterback in exchange for more draft picks and, perhaps, DeVonta Smith later?
This isn’t just about what receiver you like. It’s about philosophy. Team-building. It’s about a Dolphins roster with only one great player using the best chance to add another versus adding picks that increase the odds for greatness in another fashion.


The case for keeping the No. 3 pick depends on what you feel about Chase more than any other player. Oregon tackle Penei Sewell sounds great, but the Dolphins invested in two tackles last draft. If they can’t trust their development, this whole plan is sunk.
Besides, you need a good offensive line, not a great one to contend for Super Bowls. The four finalists this year again showed that. What you need is a great quarterback and a couple of great playmakers. Chase, a NFL scout scolded me after a recent column mentioning Smith first, is the breakthrough talent.
“It’s not that close, really,” he said. “Look, Smith is a great player, but lacks the size you want. Chase has everything you look — size, speed, playmaking. The comparison is (Arizona great) Larry Fitzgerald.”


Chase fits some recent metrics the Dolphins are using, too. They can be understood by Bill Parcells’ old line, “If he doesn’t bite as a puppy, he won’t ever bite.” The Dolphins are doing an NBA thing of late. They’re weighing rawer talent over more polished seniors.
Take two of the first-round picks last year. Tackle Austin Jackson, 20 when drafted, started as a sophomore at Southern Cal. Noah Igbinoghene, also 20 when drafted, also started as a sophomore at Auburn.
Chase fits that idea. He turns 21 in March. As a sophomore, he won the Fred Biletnikoff Award as the country’s best receiver. He was a unanimous All-American as a junior. He sat out last year. So there’s the No. 1 receiver the Dolphins lack or open Door No. 2.

They trade down. Quarterbacks will rise in demand, as always, as the draft nears. Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence goes first, and Brigham Young’s Zach Wilson probably goes second. So the Dolphins’ third pick holds the spot where some team needing a quarterback could jump for Ohio State’s Justin Fields or North Carolina State’s Trey Lantz.

Lots of teams need a quarterback, too. Could the Dolphins swap picks with No. 4 Atlanta for, say, a third-round pick this year and next year? Trade picks with No. 8 Carolina, as ESPN’s Todd McShay suggested, for a second-round pick (39th overall) and a first-round next year?


This has merit beyond the mere draft picks and beyond the chance of drafting Smith or Alabama receiving teammate Jaylen Waddle at a lower spot. Carolina could struggle again next year. Its pick might be in the Top 10 again.
So beyond the stockpiling of top picks, this trade provides insurance if quarterback Tua Tagovailoa doesn’t show progress next season. You don’t have to believe that will happen. You need available options if you’re General Manager Chris Grier, though.
Grier has worked the draft both ways. He didn’t trade down when he saw greatness in Fitzpatrick. He traded down in the pre-draft of 2016 to the 13th pick and picked up Tunsil there.
There’s no need to answer in February whether to use the No. 3 pick on Chase or trade down for draft riches. It needs studying. Mulling. I asked the NFL scout what he would do: “I’d let the GM make the decision — that’s why he’s paid the big money,’' he said.
By the way, thank you bro for posting the article. I will read it completely for your efforts.
 
Lol
Dave Hyde's not nailed a thing in his life, so I highly doubt he just started here and therefore have no interest reading this. But to save folks click baiting, no need to help the sentinel pay him and Omar by summarizing what the turnip said.
Lol. The whaaaaat? Turnip?
 
My point is stop trying to fix something that might already be fixed. And if you're 100% some of those new parts wont work, get the parts for fixing those in FA where your much more likely to know exactly what you are getting...

We are still drafting Sewell regardless what our views are on whether we need our line fixed or not, or whether is good enough as it is. Jackson is going to get better, but if we have the opportunity to draft a guy that fits naturally at left tackle with superior speed, and strength than Jackson then we will draft him, and move Jackson to the right. Move Hunt to RG which is his natural position. That gives our offensive line an automatic improvement. There isn't going to be a margical improvement on the line if we keep the same staff. Only individual improvements for guys like Jackson, or Hunt. Karras, or Flowers aren't gonna get any better. Kindley is another story, at left guard he isn't going to do any better than he did all year. Most of our lineman last year at their best still were average. Now if you move that oline around you will get better results.
 
Im still waiting for someone to show me any kind of correlation between weight and NFL success for WRs...
I don't know that there is one but for a man of your talents, it wouldnt be hard to check.

I trust you to be non biased in your control group. Take the top 20 statistical WRs since 2000, and cross reference height/weight.
 
If we can entice a trade down we won’t kno who wil be available

Meaning we like a lot of players
 
We are still drafting Sewell regardless what our views are on whether we need our line fixed or not, or whether is good enough as it is. Jackson is going to get better, but if we have the opportunity to draft a guy that fits naturally at left tackle with superior speed, and strength than Jackson then we will draft him, and move Jackson to the right. Move Hunt to RG which is his natural position. That gives our offensive line an automatic improvement. There isn't going to be a margical improvement on the line if we keep the same staff. Only individual improvements for guys like Jackson, or Hunt. Karras, or Flowers aren't gonna get any better. Kindley is another story, at left guard he isn't going to do any better than he did all year. Most of our lineman last year at their best still were average. Now if you move that oline around you will get better results.
I strongly doubt they make a pick at 3. The trade down comp will be too lucrative and they’ll still have a pick of elite talent.
 
My point is stop trying to fix something that might already be fixed. And if you're 100% some of those new parts wont work, get the parts for fixing those in FA where your much more likely to know exactly what you are getting...

Credit to NBP81(or you) himself for the picture from the previous links I had here.

Compile the numbers in terms of sacks allowed, and stats. We have a very average offensive line at best. If not among the better worse from the bottom. If we are deeply committed to putting our rookie qb in the best position to make plays we can do that starting by putting a better offensive line first. We can still get play makers outside of round 1, but I doubt many in here know who anyone else except chase or smith. We draft sewell, and we fill all other
needs with the rest of our picks if we cannot trade down.
 

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We are still drafting Sewell regardless what our views are on whether we need our line fixed or not, or whether is good enough as it is. Jackson is going to get better, but if we have the opportunity to draft a guy that fits naturally at left tackle with superior speed, and strength than Jackson then we will draft him, and move Jackson to the right. Move Hunt to RG which is his natural position. That gives our offensive line an automatic improvement. There isn't going to be a margical improvement on the line if we keep the same staff. Only individual improvements for guys like Jackson, or Hunt. Karras, or Flowers aren't gonna get any better. Kindley is another story, at left guard he isn't going to do any better than he did all year. Most of our lineman last year at their best still were average. Now if you move that oline around you will get better results.
I don't think any of that is a "given".

What we do as far as Sewell is completely dependant on how our staff sees the projected development of last year's crop.

If they feel there is adequate talent and upside, they will trade back if at all possible. If they feel Hunt is destined to be a gaurd, they would be more likely to draft PS.

They aren't telling us, or anyone else where they stand. The picks will speak for themselves.

Now, if they sign a top tier FA lineman, I would say that's a strong indication Sewell is not the pick too.
 
I strongly doubt they make a pick at 3. The trade down comp will be too lucrative and they’ll still have a pick of elite talent.
We don't know that yet. We haven't seen any signs of us trading down yet. It will be a surprise at the end of the day im sure.
I don't think any of that is a "given".

What we do as far as Sewell is completely dependant on how our staff sees the projected development of last year's crop.

If they feel there is adequate talent and upside, they will trade back if at all possible. If they feel Hunt is destined to be a gaurd, they would be more likely to draft PS.

They aren't telling us, or anyone else where they stand. The picks will speak for themselves.

Now, if they sign a top tier FA lineman, I would say that's a strong indication Sewell is not the pick too.
If you don't agree with me I'm packing my stuff and going to uncle ray's house today lol. With that said, if we do sign one that will put the sewell pick to an end. If we don't that actually sets a very strong indication otherwise.
 
I don't know that there is one but for a man of your talents, it wouldnt be hard to check.

I trust you to be non biased in your control group. Take the top 20 statistical WRs since 2000, and cross reference height/weight.
I already have for height 2 years ago... I didnt do weight because, well I didnt see any reason to tbh. The only thing weight might be a factor is injuries but even then, from the research I've read, it either doesnt matter or is tilted a bit towards more weight = more injuries... So there's that...

Here's the WR height vs Yds/tgt:

wr-height-ypt.jpg
 

Compile the numbers in terms of sacks allowed, and stats. We have a very average offensive line at best. If not among the better worse from the bottom. If we are deeply committed to putting our rookie qb in the best position to make plays we can do that starting by putting a better offensive line first. We can still get play makers outside of round 1, but I doubt many in here know who anyone else except chase or smith. We draft sewell, and we fill all other
needs with the rest of our picks if we cannot trade down.
I know we have a very average at best OL, Im not saying they're good. Im saying if you're going to try and build your OL through the draft, you have to account for the fact it wont be a quick fix, patience is required. Throwing picks at the group and expecting them to be top 10 their rookie year is delusional.
 
I stopped reading this after he is making a case for us drafting Smith. Is almost like everyone's safe or go to argument for our draft, or our problems in offense. If we cannot trade down, then we need to get our line better with the best tackle we can choose. And it happens to be on the best draft prospects at tackle in a while. We are talking about tackles in the same vein as the great tackles that been drafted in the last few years. We need our own David Bakhtiari's, Armstread, and etc. We cannot just keep patching our line by making someone that is bettter suited as a guard to play tackle, or viceversa. Sewell will be our third overall pick, not a smith or chase. I don't mean any disrespect to any of you brothers, or Heel etc. I just feel it is logical that we build the strongest offensive line that we can before we start to think our roster will somehow get better from the hype surrounded by offensive players coming out of the draft.
I see where you are coming from but I disagree brother. In terms of roster distribution and building, adding another tackle doesn't fix the main issue that crippled our offense. We have already invest significant resources into the line and adding another 1st rounder on top of the money and picks used on the line means somewhere else will suffer.

Our running backs and recievers simply are not good enough to compete with the best teams in the league. Adding Smith, Harris etc plus free agency is the biggest priority. I'm all for getting another linemen, just not at 3. Let's face it, anyone other than Parker and gesicki needs to be out the door because that performance the the last three games was ugly. No separation, dropped passes just one mistake after another. It has to be fixed and be the biggest priority
 
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