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Dave Hyde nails it.

NBP81 said:
Im still waiting for someone to show me any kind of correlation between weight and NFL success for WRs...
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TY Hilton, Wes Welker, Steve Smith, Marvin Harrison, Mark Clayton, Desean Jackson and many more lightweight NFL wide receivers throughout its history agree with you.
 
juniorseau55 said:
Our line still ranked 28th best in the league. What point are you trying to make then? I get what you are trying to say, yes we drafted offensive linemen, but that doesn't changes the fact that our offensive line requires more work. We were so horrible in 2019 that the ceiling was set so low for 2020. Our offensive line did look at lot better, but that is also due to the fact that our offensive play calling contributed to that as well. The Chargers had a more horrible offensive line than we did, and they were still able to put up offensive numbers better than we did. Does that make sense brother?
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NBP is, correctly, stating what he expects to happen. I know you want Sewell. what do you EXPECT to happen?
 
Mach2 said:
I had no idea how widely read some of us are.......lol

Just kidding. I have a propensity for retaining totally useless information.
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Yeah no kidding, I read that mammoth of a book on candlestick patterns many years ago and had yet to use any information gained except for a one-liner post on a football message board.
 
dolphinheel said:
All roads lead to one question in the Miami Dolphins draft: Do they keep the No. 3 pick and swing for the greatness of Louisiana State receiver Ja’Marr Chase? Or trade down to a team needing a quarterback in exchange for more draft picks and, perhaps, DeVonta Smith later?
This isn’t just about what receiver you like. It’s about philosophy. Team-building. It’s about a Dolphins roster with only one great player using the best chance to add another versus adding picks that increase the odds for greatness in another fashion.


The case for keeping the No. 3 pick depends on what you feel about Chase more than any other player. Oregon tackle Penei Sewell sounds great, but the Dolphins invested in two tackles last draft. If they can’t trust their development, this whole plan is sunk.
Besides, you need a good offensive line, not a great one to contend for Super Bowls. The four finalists this year again showed that. What you need is a great quarterback and a couple of great playmakers. Chase, a NFL scout scolded me after a recent column mentioning Smith first, is the breakthrough talent.
“It’s not that close, really,” he said. “Look, Smith is a great player, but lacks the size you want. Chase has everything you look — size, speed, playmaking. The comparison is (Arizona great) Larry Fitzgerald.”


Chase fits some recent metrics the Dolphins are using, too. They can be understood by Bill Parcells’ old line, “If he doesn’t bite as a puppy, he won’t ever bite.” The Dolphins are doing an NBA thing of late. They’re weighing rawer talent over more polished seniors.
Take two of the first-round picks last year. Tackle Austin Jackson, 20 when drafted, started as a sophomore at Southern Cal. Noah Igbinoghene, also 20 when drafted, also started as a sophomore at Auburn.
Chase fits that idea. He turns 21 in March. As a sophomore, he won the Fred Biletnikoff Award as the country’s best receiver. He was a unanimous All-American as a junior. He sat out last year. So there’s the No. 1 receiver the Dolphins lack or open Door No. 2.

They trade down. Quarterbacks will rise in demand, as always, as the draft nears. Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence goes first, and Brigham Young’s Zach Wilson probably goes second. So the Dolphins’ third pick holds the spot where some team needing a quarterback could jump for Ohio State’s Justin Fields or North Carolina State’s Trey Lantz.

Lots of teams need a quarterback, too. Could the Dolphins swap picks with No. 4 Atlanta for, say, a third-round pick this year and next year? Trade picks with No. 8 Carolina, as ESPN’s Todd McShay suggested, for a second-round pick (39th overall) and a first-round next year?


This has merit beyond the mere draft picks and beyond the chance of drafting Smith or Alabama receiving teammate Jaylen Waddle at a lower spot. Carolina could struggle again next year. Its pick might be in the Top 10 again.
So beyond the stockpiling of top picks, this trade provides insurance if quarterback Tua Tagovailoa doesn’t show progress next season. You don’t have to believe that will happen. You need available options if you’re General Manager Chris Grier, though.
Grier has worked the draft both ways. He didn’t trade down when he saw greatness in Fitzpatrick. He traded down in the pre-draft of 2016 to the 13th pick and picked up Tunsil there.
There’s no need to answer in February whether to use the No. 3 pick on Chase or trade down for draft riches. It needs studying. Mulling. I asked the NFL scout what he would do: “I’d let the GM make the decision — that’s why he’s paid the big money,’' he said.
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It is possible to trade down AND get Chase. Can't trade down more than a couple of picks, but he could be there . . . IF he's the target
 
fansinceGWilson said:
It is possible to trade down AND get Chase. Can't trade down more than a couple of picks, but he could be there . . . IF he's the target
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Possible. Think they’re looking at it as plan 1a and 1b. If they trade down with say the Panthers (my preference) or Eagles, which is possible, one of them should be there.
 
Mach2 said:
I don't care for his writing, but I do enjoy the Xs and Omar show on You Tube.
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i've run into him many times over the years in downtown fort lauderdale.

he's a good dude.

his football opinions? noooooooooooooooooooooo
 
juniorseau55 said:
By the way, thank you bro for posting the article. I will read it completely for your efforts.
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You should! Reading is how we all learn. Fwiw I think he’s right on a trade down a couple spots where we still get one of thise WRs. If we get another 2nd or 3rd we could possibly see them draft an OT and OC
 
dolphinheel said:
You should! Reading is how we all learn. Fwiw I think he’s right on a trade down a couple spots where we still get one of thise WRs. If we get another 2nd or 3rd we could possibly see them draft an OT and OC
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I was counting on the Lions giving us those picks. That is my best trade down scenario so far.

1. We swap picks because Lions in love with Smith
2. We get 3rd round pick from the Rams trade
3. We get next years 1st round pick. Lions will suck so it will be a top 10 pick.
 
NBP81 said:
Im still waiting for someone to show me any kind of correlation between weight and NFL success for WRs...
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Of the top 25 WR's in the NFL last year, 4 weighed less than 190 pounds (Tyreke Hill 185, Brandon Cooks 183, Tyler Lockett 182), and only one of those weighed less than 180 (Cole Beasley 174).

I'd rather not take a WR at #3, but if we do, give me Chase.
 
juniorseau55 said:
I stopped reading this after he is making a case for us drafting Smith. Is almost like everyone's safe or go to argument for our draft, or our problems in offense. If we cannot trade down, then we need to get our line better with the best tackle we can choose. And it happens to be on the best draft prospects at tackle in a while. We are talking about tackles in the same vein as the great tackles that been drafted in the last few years. We need our own David Bakhtiari's, Armstread, and etc. We cannot just keep patching our line by making someone that is bettter suited as a guard to play tackle, or viceversa. Sewell will be our third overall pick, not a smith or chase. I don't mean any disrespect to any of you brothers, or Heel etc. I just feel it is logical that we build the strongest offensive line that we can before we start to think our roster will somehow get better from the hype surrounded by offensive players coming out of the draft.
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I stopped reading this after David Hyde thinks....
 
fansinceGWilson said:
NBP is, correctly, stating what he expects to happen. I know you want Sewell. what do you EXPECT to happen?
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We are drafting Sewell is most likely what will happen. I know NBP is making a point that we been drafting OL the last few years. That is true, but we also shown commitment to the line which is the main determinator of us drafting Sewell. This draft is abundant with receivers, but it isn't so much different in terms of offensive line players quality. Sewell just stands in his own in terms of many factors.
 
juniorseau55 said:
We are drafting Sewell is most likely what will happen. I know NBP is making a point that we been drafting OL the last few years. That is true, but we also shown commitment to the line which is the main determinator of us drafting Sewell. This draft is abundant with receivers, but it isn't so much different in terms of offensive line players quality. Sewell just stands in his own in terms of many factors.
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if we stay at 3, i agree.

i really don't see us staying at 3, and wherever we trade down to Sewell will likely be gone, but one of the receivers will likely still be on the board.
 
juniorseau55 said:
Jazz come on brother, you are in the Smith Harris wagon too lol. No one in here is even giving players like Gaskin the benefit of the doubt. Harris wouldn't be able to do anything here with our run blocking ability. We are actually not a very good run blocking team right now, and yet you guys want to upgrade everything except the line. That is like upgrading to a new car and still using 4 tires that got no thread left.
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No Gaskin is a totally fine running back from a technical stand point. He knows where to run and how to run and his skill set is valuable. The issue is that he doesn't really make that big of a difference because he lacks the extra speed that guys like Kamara and Henry have.

The line needs work but we just spent a 1st and second last year on tackles. Our interior line is what needs to be improved. Having a tackle you spent a first or second on is such a waste of money and time. If Sewell was say Nelson when he got drafted. I'd consider it. But OT is not the need we need to fix
 
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