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Hyde: https://archive.is/F62sJ


Related to the draft, a Jonah Question. It sounds like people are anointing him an All-Pro already. Being able to start over Eichenberg does not make you good (same for being able to start on our interior DL). There is a lot of daylight between those two things. It seems there are a few warts on the kid, which is why he was graded where he was. Grant is definitely a big nasty, but Jonah even though he is a really big guy, seems to excel more at the quick stuff and is not really a mauler and can get pushed around. Is Jonah a big nasty, or is he another finesse guy with all the speed but not the punch? Will he automatically make us tougher? It also sounds like he has some issues with technique. We shall see how he turns out I guess, but it doesn't seem like a total layup that this kid is going to be great - it never is. If Grier can trade up to draft the only OL in the history of Notre Dame to suck, Grier can certainly trade up to draft the only Samoan that sucks too! To be clear, this is not a prognostication from me, it is a question. I have no idea. Seems like he should be good, but how can people be so certain?

Scouting Report: Weaknesses​

  • Athletic limitations become apparent against speed rushers, forcing him to open his hips early and creating vulnerability to inside counter moves
  • Struggles to maintain consistent pad level in the run game, often rising up on contact and sacrificing leverage against more explosive defenders
  • Displays concerning anchor issues against bull rushers, getting walked back into the pocket more frequently than his size would suggest
  • Limited lateral agility affects his ability to recover when beaten, leaving him susceptible to secondary rush moves in extended passing situations
  • Tendency to drift in his pass sets creates soft spots in protection, particularly problematic against crafty edge defenders who can exploit poor positioning
 
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LargoFin said:
No biggy, he played tackle. He was not focused on G position.
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get it, but how do u know? there seems to be such a high degree of certainty, like we just drafted an all pro guard. it cant be that easy, can it? rest of the league is that dumb?
 
phinsforlife said:
Hyde: https://archive.is/F62sJ


Related to the draft, a Jonah Question. It sounds like people are anointing him an All-Pro already. Being able to start over Eichenberg does not make you good. There is a lot of daylight between those two things. It seems there are a few warts on the kid, which is why he was graded where he was. Grant is definitely a big nasty, but Jonah even though he is a really big guy, seems to excel more at the quick stuff and is not really a mauler and can get pushed around. Is Jonah a big nasty, or is he another finesse guy with all the speed but not the punch? Will he automatically make us tougher? It also sounds like he has some issues with technique. We shall see how he turns out I guess, but it doesn't seem like a total layup that this kid is going to be great - it never is. If Grier can trade up to draft the only OL in the history of Notre Dame to suck, Grier can certainly trade up to draft the only Samoan that sucks too! To be clear, this is not a prognostication from me, it is a question. I have no idea. Seems like he should be good, but how can people be so certain?

Scouting Report: Weaknesses​

  • Athletic limitations become apparent against speed rushers, forcing him to open his hips early and creating vulnerability to inside counter moves
  • Struggles to maintain consistent pad level in the run game, often rising up on contact and sacrificing leverage against more explosive defenders
  • Displays concerning anchor issues against bull rushers, getting walked back into the pocket more frequently than his size would suggest
  • Limited lateral agility affects his ability to recover when beaten, leaving him susceptible to secondary rush moves in extended passing situations
  • Tendency to drift in his pass sets creates soft spots in protection, particularly problematic against crafty edge defenders who can exploit poor positioning
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Going to say this- He was our best pick of the entire draft.
I think a lot of these weaknesses refer to his work as a RT, not a guard.

He looked very athletic at the Senior Bowl and at the combine. Has 34" arms, Ran under 5.0, did a lot of reps and didn't look like many were pushing him around in Mobile. Gotta think Coach Lem liked what he saw working with him for a week at the Senior Bowl

This is one report, they don't tell you what games they watched, what position he was playing etc.
Kinda a lazy article by Hyde if you ask me.
 
phinsforlife said:
get it, but how do u know? there seems to be such a high degree of certainty, like we just drafted an all pro guard. it cant be that easy, can it? rest of the league is that dumb?
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Again, Jonah was the best pick we made last week. The Pats were in on him by all reports. They had a great draft. Their front office seems like they took a quantum leap up, I can find you negative reports on every player in the draft and the one Hyde reposted seems to have more holes than most.
 
phinsforlife said:
get it, but how do u know? there seems to be such a high degree of certainty, like we just drafted an all pro guard. it cant be that easy, can it? rest of the league is that dumb?
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How does anyone know anything? You've said people that think you need 3 years to truly evaluate a draft class are wrong, but how do you know it doesn't? Nobody knows anything.
 
Post-draft hype/hope. Obviously any pick can bust, even top 5 overall guys. All you can do at this point is hope these guys, together with the coaching staff, work hard to improve and become the best versions of themselves.
 
phinfann13 said:
How does anyone know anything? You've said people that think you need 3 years to truly evaluate a draft class are wrong, but how do you know it doesn't? Nobody knows anything.
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i agree that is part of my question. it is hard to be certain about the first rounders, how can people be so certain about the 2nd rounder, who seemingly doesnt even have alot of experience at the position we want him to play?
 
The fact is most players don’t work out. He gives us a shot to improve at a position we need to improve desperately. You have some good write ups OP but don’t get so emo about everything bro

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phinsforlife said:
Hyde: https://archive.is/F62sJ


Related to the draft, a Jonah Question. It sounds like people are anointing him an All-Pro already. Being able to start over Eichenberg does not make you good (same for being able to start on our interior DL). There is a lot of daylight between those two things. It seems there are a few warts on the kid, which is why he was graded where he was. Grant is definitely a big nasty, but Jonah even though he is a really big guy, seems to excel more at the quick stuff and is not really a mauler and can get pushed around. Is Jonah a big nasty, or is he another finesse guy with all the speed but not the punch? Will he automatically make us tougher? It also sounds like he has some issues with technique. We shall see how he turns out I guess, but it doesn't seem like a total layup that this kid is going to be great - it never is. If Grier can trade up to draft the only OL in the history of Notre Dame to suck, Grier can certainly trade up to draft the only Samoan that sucks too! To be clear, this is not a prognostication from me, it is a question. I have no idea. Seems like he should be good, but how can people be so certain?

Scouting Report: Weaknesses​

  • Athletic limitations become apparent against speed rushers, forcing him to open his hips early and creating vulnerability to inside counter moves
  • Struggles to maintain consistent pad level in the run game, often rising up on contact and sacrificing leverage against more explosive defenders
  • Displays concerning anchor issues against bull rushers, getting walked back into the pocket more frequently than his size would suggest
  • Limited lateral agility affects his ability to recover when beaten, leaving him susceptible to secondary rush moves in extended passing situations
  • Tendency to drift in his pass sets creates soft spots in protection, particularly problematic against crafty edge defenders who can exploit poor positioning
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I too worry about his anchor. Should be better at guard...Hopefully. The draft is such a crap shoot.
 
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