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Dave Hyde On Trading Tyreek - Amazing Grier Survived This Stuff

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To my the key line is this: "By NFL calculus, Hill’s cap hit would be $28.3 million if traded before June 1. That’s the high hurdle the Dolphins created here. They essentially have the same cap hit if he plays for them or not."

Several of the big contracts not only seemed dumb in principle, they are also dumb in terms of structure. You can't get out of these things. And they really diminish the trade value of the player in question as well. They cost you as much whether or not they are here, or not here. It is not just Tyreek's contract, all the big ones they handed out have similar issues that really hamstring the teams flexibility. Grier doesn't seem to learn. He is what is called an error repeater. When a player is an error repeater, they get cut. GM shouldn't have been treated differently. There is a lot of damage he can do this year too both in terms of wasting the draft picks, and making poor contractual decisions for FA's or his own guys. When under pressure to protect your job, it is human nature to do really silly things designed to benefit the short term, at huge expense to the mid and long term. He did this last year, and even worse, he didn't get the short term benefit right. It is kind of like snorting coke, not getting high, and still overdosing somehow!

 
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That's the problem with going all in and restructuring the same contracts multiple times.

It's like paying off a credit card with another credit card and convincing yourself that youre in a better spot (see the federal government).

We've seen it done with other teams and it always results in a couple years where you're strapped for cash and talent, and uncompetitive. Next year is year one.
 
So if the cap hit is the same whether he plays for us or not, consider it a sunk cost at this point. What matters is really whether the team is better off with him or not.

I’d suggest at this point that the distractions he brings and the fact that he quit on his team outweigh the TDs and yards he can add. Those can try and be replaced. There’s no coming back from the harm that would occur to the culture and credibility of the team if they overlook it.
 
I guess the question is, if Tyreek really wants out that bad, is there anything that he can concede in order to help the cap hit and make the trade more tenable?
 
phinsforlife said:
To my the key line is this: "By NFL calculus, Hill’s cap hit would be $28.3 million if traded before June 1. That’s the high hurdle the Dolphins created here. They essentially have the same cap hit if he plays for them or not."

Several of the big contracts not only seemed dumb in principle, they are also dumb in terms of structure. You can't get out of these things. And they really diminish the trade value of the player in question as well. They cost you as much whether or not they are here, or not here. It is not just Tyreek's contract, all the big ones they handed out have similar issues that really hamstring the teams flexibility. Grier doesn't seem to learn. He is what is called an error repeater. When a player is an error repeater, they get cut. GM shouldn't have been treated differently. There is a lot of damage he can do this year too both in terms of wasting the draft picks, and making poor contractual decisions for FA's or his own guys. When under pressure to protect your job, it is human nature to do really silly things designed to benefit the short term, at huge expense to the mid and long term. Even worse, he didn't get the short term benefit right. It is kind of like snorting coke, not getting high, and still overdosing somehow!

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He can be traded post June with a 15 million savings this year. It’s not that big of a deal. And I feel like that gives you more leverage in trade negotiations. Not less. Like, “hey, I’m not saving on this deal, so your deal better be good enough for me to want to trade him. Cause I can just keep him for the same money anyway.”.
 
BahamaFinFan78 said:
What are the ramifications if you trade him pre June 1st?
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PRE-6/1 RELEASE

2025 Dead Cap: $56,947,500
2025 Savings: $-28,248,750

PRE-6/1 TRADE

2025 Dead Cap: $28,297,500
2025 Savings: $401,250

What is a Pre-6/1 Release or Trade?
When a player is released or traded before June 1st, all of the dead cap remaining on his contract (including any guaranteed salary) accelerates into the current year.

POST-6/1 RELEASE

2025 Dead Cap: $41,378,750
2026 Dead Cap: $15,568,750
2025 Savings: $-12,680,000
POST-6/1 TRADE

POST-6/1 TRADE

2025 Dead Cap: $12,728,750
2026 Dead Cap: $15,568,750
2025 Savings: $15,970,000
 
I mean every contract extension looks bad when you try to get out of it year 1. Every contract we have handed out tends to have a REALISTIC out after the 2nd or 3rd year. Now the guys we have extended are where the issue starts. Giving Tua, Hill and Ramsey extensions before the season basically keeps them here through 2025 at the minimum.
 
Honestly these cap hits don’t matter at all.

Grier will be making the choices again this offseason and as another poster above pointed out… he will absolutely crush any mid-long term flexibility for the short term bc he knows his job is on the line next season.

This franchise is going nowhere but back to the bottom of the standings which were used to anyway.

Next year is a throw away year. We’re not winning the division. We’re not making the playoffs and we’re certainly not winning a SB or any playoff games.

Next year is all about… just getting through it. We just have to suck it up and take what’s coming next season. We just have to get through it. This time next year… we’ll have a new GM… a new HC… and some more flexibility to get out of some of these bad deals as we will begin the process of a tear down under the new regime.

We have to deal with this mess for one more year and then we’ll take another swing at this winning a SB thing.

Everyone here needs to come to terms with themselves with what next season is going to bring. It’s going to be very similar to what we went through this year.

Tua will miss his usual amount of games which is 4-6. Mike will cost us 2-3 games with penalties or going for 4th downs or whatever else he can mess up. We”ll get on a winning streak against 4/5 bad teams and give us a little hope only to get stomped in a road game by a playoff team. Then we’ll finish somewhere between 7-10/9-8 and miss the playoffs and be selecting somewhere around where we are this year 13-17 range.

But at least these scrubs running the show will be gone… well except for Ross but hopefully after another failure next year he’ll throw his hands up and sale the team.

It is what it is yall.
 
MiaFins31 said:
Honestly these cap hits don’t matter at all.

Grier will be making the choices again this offseason and as another poster above pointed out… he will absolutely crush any mid-long term flexibility for the short term bc he knows his job is on the line next season.

This franchise is going nowhere but back to the bottom of the standings which were used to anyway.

Next year is a throw away year. We’re not winning the division. We’re not making the playoffs and we’re certainly not winning a SB or any playoff games.

Next year is all about… just getting through it. We just have to suck it up and take what’s coming next season. We just have to get through it. This time next year… we’ll have a new GM… a new HC… and some more flexibility to get out of some of these bad deals as we will begin the process of a tear down under the new regime.

We have to deal with this mess for one more year and then we’ll take another swing at this winning a SB thing.

Everyone here needs to come to terms with themselves with what next season is going to bring. It’s going to be very similar to what we went through this year.

Tua will miss his usual amount of games which is 4-6. Mike will cost us 2-3 games with penalties or going for 4th downs or whatever else he can mess up. We”ll get on a winning streak against 4/5 bad teams and give us a little hope only to get stomped in a road game by a playoff team. Then we’ll finish somewhere between 7-10/9-8 and miss the playoffs and be selecting somewhere around where we are this year 13-17 range.

But at least these scrubs running the show will be gone… well except for Ross but hopefully after another failure next year he’ll throw his hands up and sale the team.

It is what it is yall.
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yes but sadly the guys running the show may do alot more damage next year, and set the whole thing back even further.
 
Retnuhrace said:
I guess the question is, if Tyreek really wants out that bad, is there anything that he can concede in order to help the cap hit and make the trade more tenable?
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No he wants to go back to the Chiefs and be the highest paid WR in the league.
 
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