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Let me start off by saying that I am very displeased with the first day.

Vontae Davis:
While he is probably the most gifted CB in the draft and that is probably why they took him when he fell to 25, he has a serious prima donna issue. He is a serously gifted athlete like his brother Vernon. He has the burst to get back to the ball, can play man or zone, he is a tough and physical. But that is not what worries me. He had serious confrontations with coaching staff at Illinois. He does not like to take direction and freelances way too much. He has a poor work ethic and skates by on his natural ability. We will see if the coaching staff can corrall this stallion, but the lack of effort is something that is a red flag with glowing red lights around it. This is not the worst pick, but if they are not able to light a fire under his butt and get him to buy into the team concept this maybe the worst pick since we got Jamar Fletcher out of Wisconsin.

Pat White:
While I do not dispute Pat White's ability. In my opinon, he won't be able to take the pounding he is going to recieve in the NFL. I know he is listed at 6'0" 197lbs. He may indeed weigh 197, but if he is 6'0" then I'm taller than Kareem Abdul Jabar. This guy looked like a pre-schooler running with HS kids when he was at WVU. If we ever use him in the WildCat formation he may complete some passes, but DEs and OLBs are going to pound this guy into the dirt. What is the deal with taking him at 44. I do not know what they were thinking. If they really wanted him they could have had him in the 3rd, maybe even the 4th. I just do not understand the value they placed on the pick. Now we are going to pay him a 2nd rd. contract and in my estimation he will not make it in the league 4 yrs. Not because he does not have the ability, but because his body is going to be so beat up he will not be able to play anymore.

Sean Smith:
Everybody knows I like this kid. He will match up well with the WR in the AFC East. If you watched his ProDay, he can change directions well which is always a question with someone that tall. While I was skeptical of the Vontae Davis pick and I do not like the Pat White pick, I like this pick and we got a little value taking him in the latter part of the 2nd.

Overall, the first day would have to be a C. The only saving grace is Sean Smith. I have serious doubts as to whether Davis can/will change his attitude. The apple does not fall far from the tree just look at brother Vernon. Pat White selection at 44 is bad. If we find out that Davis can not buy into the team concept and Pat White winds up on injured reserve then it definately changes from a C to an F.
 
fishypete said:
Don't you believe the combine...he's listed at 6'0" 197...heck Ginn is 5'11" 180.
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Yeah, I know, but he looks like a midget on the field. He reminds me of Kenny Irons the RB out of AU. I never realized how small he was until he got to the Pros. I know how small White is and he is going to be a midget in the Pros. I stand by what I said, he won't make it 4yrs. if he regularly plays in games. I do not want this to happen, but I think it is inevitable.
 
DKphin said:
Yeah, I know, but he looks like a midget on the field. He reminds me of Kenny Irons the RB out of AU. I never realized how small he was until he got to the Pros. I know how small White is and he is going to be a midget in the Pros. I stand by what I said, he won't make it 4yrs. if he regularly plays in games. I do not want this to happen, but I think it is inevitable.
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Well guess what...small players play in the NFL...Take E. Smith...under 6' 205....most receivers are his size...there's nothing wrong with him. Even today in college players are big...are they not? Did he fall apart?

He played four years in college...these are his injuries;


2006: Suffered a high ankle sprain vs. South Florida (11/25), sitting out the regular season finale vs. Rutgers (12/02), but he played with the injury in the Gator Bowl (1/01/07).

2007: Missed a good portion of the South Florida game (9/28) with a right quadriceps bruise … Sat out part of the Pittsburgh contest (12/01) with a right thumb dislocation.

2008: Sat out the Syracuse game (10/11) after injuring his head due to a helmet-to-helmet collision the previous week vs. Rutgers (10/04).
 
DKphin said:
Let me start off by saying that I am very displeased with the first day.

Vontae Davis:
While he is probably the most gifted CB in the draft and that is probably why they took him when he fell to 25, he has a serious prima donna issue. He is a serously gifted athlete like his brother Vernon. He has the burst to get back to the ball, can play man or zone, he is a tough and physical. But that is not what worries me. He had serious confrontations with coaching staff at Illinois. He does not like to take direction and freelances way too much. He has a poor work ethic and skates by on his natural ability. We will see if the coaching staff can corrall this stallion, but the lack of effort is something that is a red flag with glowing red lights around it. This is not the worst pick, but if they are not able to light a fire under his butt and get him to buy into the team concept this maybe the worst pick since we got Jamar Fletcher out of Wisconsin.

Pat White:
While I do not dispute Pat White's ability. In my opinon, he won't be able to take the pounding he is going to recieve in the NFL. I know he is listed at 6'0" 197lbs. He may indeed weigh 197, but if he is 6'0" then I'm taller than Kareem Abdul Jabar. This guy looked like a pre-schooler running with HS kids when he was at WVU. If we ever use him in the WildCat formation he may complete some passes, but DEs and OLBs are going to pound this guy into the dirt. What is the deal with taking him at 44. I do not know what they were thinking. If they really wanted him they could have had him in the 3rd, maybe even the 4th. I just do not understand the value they placed on the pick. Now we are going to pay him a 2nd rd. contract and in my estimation he will not make it in the league 4 yrs. Not because he does not have the ability, but because his body is going to be so beat up he will not be able to play anymore.

Sean Smith:
Everybody knows I like this kid. He will match up well with the WR in the AFC East. If you watched his ProDay, he can change directions well which is always a question with someone that tall. While I was skeptical of the Vontae Davis pick and I do not like the Pat White pick, I like this pick and we got a little value taking him in the latter part of the 2nd.

Overall, the first day would have to be a C. The only saving grace is Sean Smith. I have serious doubts as to whether Davis can/will change his attitude. The apple does not fall far from the tree just look at brother Vernon. Pat White selection at 44 is bad. If we find out that Davis can not buy into the team concept and Pat White winds up on injured reserve then it definately changes from a C to an F.
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Ireland has no problems at all with his attitude. Said he spoke to several people who know Davis, including his coaches, and they all feel Davis is a great guy. His character issues are not serious. I really like what Ireland had to say concerning Davis's character issues in his Press Conference. Davis is a great cornerback, and I'm ecstatic with the pick.

As for Pat White, didn't really like the pick with Barwin and Sintim still being available, but I trust Parcells.

Can't complain with the Sean Smith pick either. CB was a glaring need, and with Davis and Smith, it's looking like that is one less need for us. If we can get Micheal Johnson in the 3rd and/or Ramses Barden in the 4th, I'll be very happy. Hopefully not taking an OLB on the 1st day means they really like Wake. It could also mean JT will be a Dolphin next year. Could also means they have their eyes on a few later round OLB's who they feel will make an immediate impact. Who knows.
 
Can we please drop the "We could have gotten him in the 3rd or the 4th" garbage

You don't know that
 
I give it at least a B.

When we can fill your biggest need heading into the draft as emphatically as we did, and do it on the 1st day alone, that means a lot!

And to add a playmaker like White to our offense, this has the potential to be a A with how White adjusts to the offense.

What a great day!!
 
You know what's awesome about having a top notch front office? They can draft guys like Pat White at 44, and I won't question it.

If Cam Cameron had made the same pick, I'd be roasting marshmallows over a burning cross on his front lawn right now. But the fact of the matter is, this staff has a plan. If they deem Pat White worthy of the 44th pick, who am I to question it?

He was clearly drafted to take our wildcat offense to the next level. In Pat White, we now have a player who can legitimately line up at QB, WR or RB.
 
Also, the fact we drafted Pat White at 44 tells me he was clearly a real priority going into this draft.

It was obvious he wouldn't go in the first, but we chose him with our first pick in the second round. Probably a little high, but they didn't want to run the risk of losing him to a team like the Vikings who also showed interest.

This front office went into the draft with a clear plan to draft him, and they took him early to make sure of it. He has a very unique skill set, and I'd say this front office has some very specific plans for him.
 
ghost of marino said:
Also, the fact we drafted Pat White at 44 tells me he was clearly a real priority going into this draft.

It was obvious he wouldn't go in the first, but we chose him with our first pick in the second round. Probably a little high, but they didn't want to run the risk of losing him to a team like the Vikings who also showed interest.

This front office went into the draft with a clear plan to draft him, and they took him early to make sure of it. He has a very unique skill set, and I'd say this front office has some very specific plans for him.
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"Again, we had him on our board where we'd select him. Again, he has an unusual set of skills that can help us. It's going to open up our offense and we do feel very convicted about that. That's where we had him on the board and that's where we selected him." - Jeff Ireland

And much like you, I have full trust in this regimes moves.
 
The Dolphins draft was surprising but all in all I'm pretty happy with what the team accomplished.Vontae Davis sounds like he's very talented and he's been a productive starter for 3 seasons, so its not like he's a flash in the pan or anything, plus it sounds like hes special as a tackler/run defender ( for a cornerback). Pat White was a surprising pick and arguably the most controversial move the new front office has made so far. I think its the right pick because Pat White was a proven playmaker in college. Outside of Percy Harvin, he was the most dangerous open field runner in the whole draft. He'll immediately become an offensive threat as a wildcat RB/WR and I think he's very underrated as a QB, I'm now rooting for him to beat out Henne. Sean Smith is a guy who many people predicted as the Fins 2nd rd. pick. He's tall and apparently very smooth for his size. I think its a good pick since this team is so thin at corner, in fact I wouldn't be upset if the fins spent either its 3rd or 4th rd. on another one. Quantity of picks usually produces quality on the roster so the Fins should take as many corners as they have to to ensure the team finds some upside for the future.
 
CrazyCarl said:
Can we please drop the "We could have gotten him in the 3rd or the 4th" garbage

You don't know that
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You could you please drop the all knowing attitude. I am confident we could have gotten him in the 3rd, but I would not have taken him at all. There were much better options available who could have contributed more than the pint size guy from WV.:rolleyes2:
 
CrazyCarl said:
"Again, we had him on our board where we'd select him. Again, he has an unusual set of skills that can help us. It's going to open up our offense and we do feel very convicted about that. That's where we had him on the board and that's where we selected him." - Jeff Ireland

And much like you, I have full trust in this regimes moves.
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These guys take our team from 1-15, to 11-5, winning a division championship along the way in ONE year....and people are questioning these guys.

Ridiculous.
 
fishypete said:
Well guess what...small players play in the NFL...Take E. Smith...under 6' 205....most receivers are his size...there's nothing wrong with him. Even today in college players are big...are they not? Did he fall apart?

He played four years in college...these are his injuries;


2006: Suffered a high ankle sprain vs. South Florida (11/25), sitting out the regular season finale vs. Rutgers (12/02), but he played with the injury in the Gator Bowl (1/01/07).

2007: Missed a good portion of the South Florida game (9/28) with a right quadriceps bruise … Sat out part of the Pittsburgh contest (12/01) with a right thumb dislocation.

2008: Sat out the Syracuse game (10/11) after injuring his head due to a helmet-to-helmet collision the previous week vs. Rutgers (10/04).
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There is a reason 99% of the players he played against in college are not in the Pros. He is not playing against college players anymore.
 
DKphin said:
You could you please drop the all knowing attitude. I am confident we could have gotten him in the 3rd, but I would not have taken him at all. There were much better options available who could have contributed more than the pint size guy from WV.:rolleyes2:
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Yeah well your mock had Connor Barwin in round 1 and Sean Smith at 2A so your "confidence" in Pat White being around in the 3rd or later means absolutely nothing.

I wasn't being all knowing, me saying you don't know if he would be there doesn't mean that I knew he wouldn't. It means no one knew.

You are some guy who posts on Finheaven. Jeff Ireland and Bill Parcells are the heads of an NFL franchise. So until you get appointed GM to an NFL franchise, I will take their judgement over yours.
 
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