Defensive Coaching Matters

[dolphintodd]

Not a big fan of Boyer but a few things I will be looking for:

1. Will players with a clear path to the QB fall for the pump fake by Allen for the 1 millionth time or will they keep their feet on the ground and make the play?
2. Is Jaelan Phillips going to just rush past the QB and pocket and allow Allen to sneak out to the right (yes his arm side) and make plays? or are we going to be disciplined and keep him in the pocket? imo that is stupidity or lack of coaching. Watched Herbert do it again last week so I doubt any lessons have been learned.
3. on any kind of 3rd and long play are we going to play soft and let Allen dump it off to whomever stayed in to help protect but then shoot out the side to receive the dump off for yet a another non-competitive play on defense?
4. If I was the defensive coach, every single time Allen tucks and runs he would pay the price with a big hit... make him pay!

 

[Fin-Loco]

Not a big fan of Boyer but a few things I will be looking for:

1. Will players with a clear path to the QB fall for the pump fake by Allen for the 1 millionth time or will they keep their feet on the ground and make the play?
2. Is Jaelan Phillips going to just rush past the QB and pocket and allow Allen to sneak out to the right (yes his arm side) and make plays? or are we going to be disciplined and keep him in the pocket? imo that is stupidity or lack of coaching. Watched Herbert do it again last week so I doubt any lessons have been learned.
3. on any kind of 3rd and long play are we going to play soft and let Allen dump it off to whomever stayed in to help protect but then shoot out the side to receive the dump off for yet a another non-competitive play on defense?
4. If I was the defensive coach, every single time Allen tucks and runs he would pay the price with a big hit... make him pay!

He's who we have until the next DC. Have to hope for the best. We are at least getting good QB pressure lately so that's nice. We need to be really creative with the cap to figure out how to add more weaponry at CB and LB. X is getting toasted out there and Byron Jones was last seen in the bermuda triangle.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

Not a big fan of Boyer but a few things I will be looking for:

1. Will players with a clear path to the QB fall for the pump fake by Allen for the 1 millionth time or will they keep their feet on the ground and make the play?
2. Is Jaelan Phillips going to just rush past the QB and pocket and allow Allen to sneak out to the right (yes his arm side) and make plays? or are we going to be disciplined and keep him in the pocket? imo that is stupidity or lack of coaching. Watched Herbert do it again last week so I doubt any lessons have been learned.
3. on any kind of 3rd and long play are we going to play soft and let Allen dump it off to whomever stayed in to help protect but then shoot out the side to receive the dump off for yet a another non-competitive play on defense?
4. If I was the defensive coach, every single time Allen tucks and runs he would pay the price with a big hit... make him pay!

To be fair, the questions you as are common to all of BUFF's opponents. The best anyone can do is limit the damage.
I agree with the dump offs, but that has been a failure of the D all season.
I suspect all teams want to make Allen pay for his runs, but, in fairness, he's good. I think you're on point with staying disciplined.

 

[spiketex]

I'm still a supporter of Josh Boyer. The 2 biggest flaws in the Defense that I see appear to be player related, not system issues. Without a top quality CB to play with Xavien Howard, we have been exposed in some games. The absence of Byron Jones for this extended period has been big. Kader Kohou has done well as a rookie undrafted free agent and has a decent future. However, losing Nik Needham and Brandon Jones to injury in addition to Byron Jones has meant that the pure talent at DB has been severely denuded from the previous season. The other defensive position that needs a talent infusion is at linebacker. Elandon Roberts is a hard hitting battler but can be beaten with speed. Jerome Baker has some good moments in games but we need a lot more.
Boyer can only do the best he can with what he's got. We have quality on the Defensive line where Christian Wilkins and Zach Sieler have both improved. Wilkins is a keeper and deserves a new contract. Jaelen Phillips looks like he will develop into a star.

 

[Fin-Loco]

I'm still a supporter of Josh Boyer. The 2 biggest flaws in the Defense that I see are player related, not system issues. Without a top quality CB to play with Xavien Howard, we have been exposed in some games. The absence of Byron Jones for this extended period has been big. Kader Kohou has done well as a rookie undrafted free agent and has a decent future. However, losing Nik Needham and Brandon Jones to injury in addition to Byron Jones has meant that the pure talent at DB has been severely denuded from the previous season. The other defensive position that needs a talent infusion is at linebacker. Elandon Roberts is a hard hitting battler but can be beaten with speed. Baker has some good moments in games but we need a lot more.
Boyer can only do the best he can with what he's got. We have quality on the Defensive line where Christian Wilkins and Zach Sieler have both improved. Wilkins is a keeper and deserves a new contract.

He said denuded.

 

[Pitbull13]

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Not a big fan of Boyer but a few things I will be looking for:

1. Will players with a clear path to the QB fall for the pump fake by Allen for the 1 millionth time or will they keep their feet on the ground and make the play?
2. Is Jaelan Phillips going to just rush past the QB and pocket and allow Allen to sneak out to the right (yes his arm side) and make plays? or are we going to be disciplined and keep him in the pocket? imo that is stupidity or lack of coaching. Watched Herbert do it again last week so I doubt any lessons have been learned.
3. on any kind of 3rd and long play are we going to play soft and let Allen dump it off to whomever stayed in to help protect but then shoot out the side to receive the dump off for yet a another non-competitive play on defense?
4. If I was the defensive coach, every single time Allen tucks and runs he would pay the price with a big hit... make him pay!

I feel like the defense has been good enough to win games. It's not a great defense but it's good enough. Problem now is if the offense struggles, we will lose.

 

[BennySwella]

I'm still a supporter of Josh Boyer. The 2 biggest flaws in the Defense that I see appear to be player related, not system issues. Without a top quality CB to play with Xavien Howard, we have been exposed in some games. The absence of Byron Jones for this extended period has been big. Kader Kohou has done well as a rookie undrafted free agent and has a decent future. However, losing Nik Needham and Brandon Jones to injury in addition to Byron Jones has meant that the pure talent at DB has been severely denuded from the previous season. The other defensive position that needs a talent infusion is at linebacker. Elandon Roberts is a hard hitting battler but can be beaten with speed. Jerome Baker has some good moments in games but we need a lot more.
Boyer can only do the best he can with what he's got. We have quality on the Defensive line where Christian Wilkins and Zach Sieler have both improved. Wilkins is a keeper and deserves a new contract. Jaelen Phillips looks like he will develop into a star.

Byron Jones wont help the lack of pass rush. He will help with the amount of time the QB holds the ball, but not the lack of explosion from our side. The defensive line has looked horrible all season long. Before Chubb and after him. He even looks worse than he did in Denver. I think this is a scheme/play calling issue.

Maybe Boyer needs 2 elite cover corners for his defense to be effective, but if that is the case then his defense isnt practical. Not every defense in the league needs two beasts at the boundary just to get a sack or 2. Forget the sacks, we are barely getting pressure.

 

[royalshank]

To be fair, the questions you as are common to all of BUFF's opponents. The best anyone can do is limit the damage.
I agree with the dump offs, but that has been a failure of the D all season.
I suspect all teams want to make Allen pay for his runs, but, in fairness, he's good. I think you're on point with staying disciplined.

This. And so the answer to all of the questions is “yes”. The key as Wilson says here is to limit the damage if we can

 

[royalshank]

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I feel like the defense has been good enough to win games. It's not a great defense but it's good enough. Problem now is if the offense struggles, we will lose.

Me too - for the amount of time they are on the field, they have been pretty good at keeping us in games. 3rd downs though - not so good

 

[royalshank]

I'm still a supporter of Josh Boyer. The 2 biggest flaws in the Defense that I see appear to be player related, not system issues. Without a top quality CB to play with Xavien Howard, we have been exposed in some games. The absence of Byron Jones for this extended period has been big. Kader Kohou has done well as a rookie undrafted free agent and has a decent future. However, losing Nik Needham and Brandon Jones to injury in addition to Byron Jones has meant that the pure talent at DB has been severely denuded from the previous season. The other defensive position that needs a talent infusion is at linebacker. Elandon Roberts is a hard hitting battler but can be beaten with speed. Jerome Baker has some good moments in games but we need a lot more.
Boyer can only do the best he can with what he's got. We have quality on the Defensive line where Christian Wilkins and Zach Sieler have both improved. Wilkins is a keeper and deserves a new contract. Jaelen Phillips looks like he will develop into a star.

This is a really good take and very balanced / fair IMO. I can’t argue w any of it. Spot on.

 

[dolfan91]

The defense is going to need to find a way to slow down or possibly stop Allen and the Bill's offense, In spite of, the short handed or stacked deck against them. It's not impossible and hopefully in the cards for Miami this Saturday.

 

[Danny]

Not a big fan of Boyer but a few things I will be looking for:

1. Will players with a clear path to the QB fall for the pump fake by Allen for the 1 millionth time or will they keep their feet on the ground and make the play?
2. Is Jaelan Phillips going to just rush past the QB and pocket and allow Allen to sneak out to the right (yes his arm side) and make plays? or are we going to be disciplined and keep him in the pocket? imo that is stupidity or lack of coaching. Watched Herbert do it again last week so I doubt any lessons have been learned.
3. on any kind of 3rd and long play are we going to play soft and let Allen dump it off to whomever stayed in to help protect but then shoot out the side to receive the dump off for yet a another non-competitive play on defense?
4. If I was the defensive coach, every single time Allen tucks and runs he would pay the price with a big hit... make him pay!

95% of the time that Allen runs, the defensive player trying to tackle him is the one that pays the price. You need to go at his legs in order to get him down.

 

[tommyp]

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I feel like the defense has been good enough to win games. It's not a great defense but it's good enough. Problem now is if the offense struggles, we will lose.

def has been just ok.. i expected more against SF, especially with a QB taking his first snaps ever

 

[Rick Cartman]

I hope he has a little more tactful game plan this time around than just give them what they want underneath and hope they don't convert in the redzone.
If you think i'm joking listen to the mic'd up segment from the first game on youtube, he literally says this to the players on the sidelines.

 

[dolfan91]

Miami historically, hasn't played well in Buffalo in December. It is what it is. It appears Miami will be without Rowe and Campbell Making it even more difficult on defense.