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One of the biggest changes that I see in the Dolphins approach to Free Agency this year is an apparent deliberate plan to harness compensatory Draft picks next year as the reward for letting players like Vernon, Miller, Matthews and Shelby go to the highest bidder in Free Agency. OV, Lamar and Rishard are all good players in their prime and ended up some of Ireland's better players drafted, but it seems a conscious decision was made not to pay any of them the top $ as Free Agents. My question to FH is - Who is behind this strategy change? Is it Tannenbaum, Grier, Gase or a combination of all of them? While Tannenbaum is the natural leader and was clearly fully engaged in the offseason, this seems a change in his strategy embraced over many years with the Jets. In fact his biggest problem was pissing big $ down the toilet on overrated Free Agents eg Mark Sanchez and co. Has he learned?
We are effectively embracing delayed gratification by waiting a year for the benefit of the compensatory picks. This actually reflects some patience. Being prepared to pick up the later comp picks reflects the strategy that Baltimore, New England and some other teams have adopted. Do you think that it represents a fundamental long term change in philosophy or just reflects that we didn't think that Vernon, Miller, Matthews and Shelby were fully worth the big $ that each would command and so we wave goodbye and wish them well? Time will tell, if it's correct. We haven't heard much from Chris Grier as the new GM. While many on here just view him as Tannenbaum's lackey, I think that it's likely that he is a better player evaluator than Tannenbaum, (Mike thrives on the deals). Is it possible that Grier is actually behind the fundamental change? I welcome your feedback.
 
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My guess: the one constant in their hiring and then firing of Dennis Hickey was a emphasis on metrics. It's not out of the realm of possibility that the team was told this offseason by their metrics staff that statistically the teams who exploit the compensatory picks the league gifts them do better than those who don't.

It would certainly signal an attempt to follow something the Dolphins haven't followed for years...something called "a strategy"
 
As has been discussed...the successful franchises only retain select free agents when the money gets crazy...i.e. Tom Brady.

I think they wanted to retain Miller and OV...but were not willing to overpay for the abilities they possess.

OV was a no brainer....yes he turned it on late last year in a contract year....but he is not a 17 million dollar player. Coupled with replacing him with Mario Williams at half the price(and probable 3rd round comp.).....easy choice.

On Miller....a nice speed back...not a workhorse crunchtime back who breaks tackles and runs thru people. They had a value and somebody overpaid.

I like this type of management...its smart.
 
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Outside of failing to land Soliai or Knighton, I like Miami's approach. Once we see who Miami drafts at 13, we can better evaluate the trade, but the approach to FA has been solid.
 
Another thing is I think the league has discussed being able to trade comp picks. Would provide alot of flexibility in next year's draft..
 
Another thing is I think the league has discussed being able to trade comp picks. Would provide alot of flexibility in next year's draft..

While I don't think the league should approve comp trades, having comp picks frees up trade potential for your tradable picks.
 
Clear sign that the organization is in the process of their version of what everybody else calls rebuilding......

Something that has been way over due and like someone just stated will bring a level of disappointment to the fans but truthfully it has been way way overdue and I think next season will be worth the wait, twice as exciting and huge step in the right direction......but this season will be a struggle, gee whats new ? thats no different then the last 15 years....

Funny, this off seasons moves have brought major head scratching, but do see some logic and happier for the long run...We may actually have something to cheer about in a year or two....
 
Not sure where it comes from but it's surprising that having a splash owner and President we're seeing this. It's a refreshing approach after years of throwing money at FA failures. Now, let's see how they draft.


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i think it's just a gratifying side effect of having your own talent leave when their contract is up....i don't think it's as much strategic process as it is a symptom of this over-inflated market....we as dolphin fans just aren't used to seeing it because of our obligatory annual "big splash" signings.....it'll be nice to have some real comp. picks next year, and while there are a number of things i'm not happy about regarding this off-season im happy we didn't overpay for OV or another big name FA....

i mean we can give the FO credit if you choose to do so, but it's just how the FA process works.
 
Vernon was CRAZY overvalued by NYG.
Miller was overvalued
Matthews was never staying with Miami as long as he was going to be down the pecking order.

It would have cost us even more than their combined contracts to keep all three, because in the case of Matthews (and maybe Miller) they would have wanted more money than elsewhere to stay where they wouldn't be utilised fully.

So, basically, the circumstances where we need to replace them was more or less forced on us, even though we did have some cap space. As such, you can't credit the FO with any great vision for letting them walk.

In terms of who they replaced the outgoing guys with, by focussing on cut players rather than making trades they made sure their comp picks were secure. That was definitely intentional and unusually sensible for this team. It limited who they could go after, but fortunately in Mario Williams they had a guy who was tailor-made for the situation. So, it's not like they had to get especially creative either in order to keep their comp picks. I'm reluctant to call the moves anything more than common sense and fairly standard FO practice. So, for me anyway, it doesn't really matter which of Ross, T'baum, Grier, Gase or whoever is supposed to get the credit - the credit isn't that big to start with. they were just doing their jobs.
 
I have several problems with embracing this philosophy given the current situation, Tannenbaum and this organization. You'll have to excuse me if I don't drink the kool-aid. If we were on a different board gushing over a winning franchise then I would embrace it and rejoice. However we are not.

Regardless of the counterpoints to my concerns, anything is conjecture at this point. And is often the case, the points and counterpoints we raise here will not fit the events that transpire and we will be left to continue debating a non-issue. But here goes anyway:


Swing Tackle, Right Guard and Left Guard

We have not adequately addressed OL. No, I'm not waiting until after the draft. The problem with our OL is inexperience and insufficient talent. You cannot fix this many positions with youth (draft) and value vets. We have a franchise QB that has led the league in sacks his entire career and is pissing blood. We have taken the draft approach and value veteran approach every year. It DOES NOT WORK. Continuing to use this approach in the face of repeated failure is definition of insanity. We need more than warm bodies. We need more than gap stuffers. Neither has worked. We need immediate plug and play talent. Not top tier, but not bottom rung either.

Oakland understands how to protect a QB, after years of not having one. Not only did they go out and sign the top FA OG, they continued to invest in the OL and re-signed Donald Penn. Those 2 moves will make Carr-to-Cooper a household name. And I don't need to hear about we need to spend money elsewhere. QB is PRIORITY #1 in this league. When you have one, he is the focus. You build around him, protect him and develop him. Oakland has done it. And the results will show on the field this year. They are poised to take the next step. Something we've been saying we are going to do for decades.

No veteran presence in HC, GM or VP
People love the fact we hired Gase. Frankly, I wanted Tom Coughlin. But credentials and qualifications didn't matter. The only thing that mattered is Tannenbaum. He cleaned house and positioned himself to have no one left in the building to challenge his authority OR ideas. I hear a lot of "we" and "GM, HC and VP" all on the same page talk coming out of the front office. Sells tickets, quiets fans and leaves those in the building who disagree on a cold, solitary island nowhere near a shipping lane. Tannenbaum has seized control with no experience to justify it in his qualifications. Tom Coughlin speaks his mind and challenges notions. That type of coach would never have worked with Tannenbaum's insecurities.

There is no one in the building to truly challenge Tannenbaum with life experience and common sense. No one he can't over talk or dismiss. Especially in Ross' eyes.

Forget the logic and legitimacy of the plans many of you are offering. The man executing them has no track record of following conventional logic. New and "outside the box" thinking does not imply success. It merely foreshadows results that reflect the agent of change's past.

Belief in Stock Piling Compensatory Picks
This dream that is being sold asks us to believe in the future and disregard the obvious missteps occurring right before our eyes. In fact, the contradictory evidence is already right in front of us. Let's take Lamar Miller for example. We let him walk. We simply don't value him as much as Houston. Our hard limit was $5M/year. That was our valuation. He leaves and immediately we begin hearing how the "front office" believes Ajayi is the better back. Then, days later, we make an offer on Anderson that will "make it very hard for Denver to match". We hear how once again the "front office" believes Anderson is better than Miller. He is an ascending talent with a more complete game. Yet, we only offer $4.5M; less than Miller. Denver schooled us and showed us how to keep talent. You don't value Anderson @ $4.5M when you believe he is better than the $5M Miller. I'm sorry, it's double talk.

Then you strike out offering more money to C Johnson than his previous team. Then you fall back again and begin pursuing trade talks with KC about a RB they don't even want and will probably cut. This stinks of desperation. Then fall back again and sign Isiah Pead and Daniel Friggin' Thomas.

Grade F

Don't defend Isiah Pead and Daniel Thomas as "camp bodies". You only invite people to camp you would be satisfied keeping on the team if they prove worthy. Otherwise, you are wasting the time of your staff and other players presenting them with inferior talent to evaluate and compete against. You do your entire team a disservice.

And let's not forget those precious compensatory picks. Remember, those were the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The reason for letting OV, Miller, Matthews and Shelby walk. A few days ago, your VP was in discussions to TRADE a pick for a RB that will be cut.

Meanwhile, you also traded down 5 spots OUT of the Top 10 in the 1st round to acquire an walking injury MLB and an overpaid CB. The logic does not add up gentlemen. If draft picks are your pot of gold, you don't waste them on marginal talent acquisitions. You collect them and grow them into opportunities at ELITE players. That is the whole reason for stock piling draft resources, to get YOUNGER and BETTER.

Understand, I believe the same way you do about being responsible with draft resources and building to the future. But you are letting your own judgement cloud the facts.


Trades, Draft Day 2016 and Draft Day 2017
The final act and revealing of Tannenbaum's true colors. The test to see if he really has changed his ways.

Tannenbaum cannot keep himself from trading and burning draft picks. He has already traded from 8 to 13. He's been in talks with KC about trading for a RB. And let's not forget the trades we were involved in last year.

For those who really don't want to see how bad Tannenbaum's penchant for trading and draft resource mismanagement can be... you need to read about the 2009 Jet's Draft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_New_York_Jets_season


The real test for all of this "stockpiling picks" philosophy will be tested soon enough. Once the trades start flying, realize what we gave up to acquire those precious picks and then stand back and truly assess what proven resources were lost to acquire hope and promises that all of the retreads, injury prone, unproven and high risk players we have acquired.

Then realize all of these changes are occuring with a rookie HC and other critical coaches new to their position, a GM puppet, an absentee owner and a 3 year mandate for it to all work (playoffs).

It takes at least half of a season for new players to acclimate and become productive with a new team. But, we are also stock piling picks for 2017. Inferring our "real" team won't be seen until Week 9 of 2017. That leaves Gase only 1 full season in 2018 to make all of this work.

That is NOT sound management. We are pinning all hopes on next year's draft, a complete organization of people in new jobs they've never had and 24 games between Week 9 of 2017 and all of 2018 to make this work. This is NOT a sound plan.



The body of work does not support the notion this plan is sound, well thought out and deserving of praise.

I am willing to reserve final judgement on the results (in the W column). But to anoint Tannenbaum as some reformed genius that just needed some time away to get it all worked out is foolish. I wouldn't align my own wisdom with Tannenbaum's actions just yet. This man has done nothing to receive praise.

You can defend your beliefs, but I would think twice about defending the man in charge of executing your beliefs.
 
I have several problems with embracing this philosophy given the current situation, Tannenbaum and this organization. You'll have to excuse me if I don't drink the kool-aid. If we were on a different board gushing over a winning franchise then I would embrace it and rejoice. However we are not.

Regardless of the counterpoints to my concerns, anything is conjecture at this point. And is often the case, the points and counterpoints we raise here will not fit the events that transpire and we will be left to continue debating a non-issue. But here goes anyway:


Swing Tackle, Right Guard and Left Guard

We have not adequately addressed OL. No, I'm not waiting until after the draft. The problem with our OL is inexperience and insufficient talent. You cannot fix this many positions with youth (draft) and value vets. We have a franchise QB that has led the league in sacks his entire career and is pissing blood. We have taken the draft approach and value veteran approach every year. It DOES NOT WORK. Continuing to use this approach in the face of repeated failure is definition of insanity. We need more than warm bodies. We need more than gap stuffers. Neither has worked. We need immediate plug and play talent. Not top tier, but not bottom rung either.

Oakland understands how to protect a QB, after years of not having one. Not only did they go out and sign the top FA OG, they continued to invest in the OL and re-signed Donald Penn. Those 2 moves will make Carr-to-Cooper a household name. And I don't need to hear about we need to spend money elsewhere. QB is PRIORITY #1 in this league. When you have one, he is the focus. You build around him, protect him and develop him. Oakland has done it. And the results will show on the field this year. They are poised to take the next step. Something we've been saying we are going to do for decades.

No veteran presence in HC, GM or VP
People love the fact we hired Gase. Frankly, I wanted Tom Coughlin. But credentials and qualifications didn't matter. The only thing that mattered is Tannenbaum. He cleaned house and positioned himself to have no one left in the building to challenge his authority OR ideas. I hear a lot of "we" and "GM, HC and VP" all on the same page talk coming out of the front office. Sells tickets, quiets fans and leaves those in the building who disagree on a cold, solitary island nowhere near a shipping lane. Tannenbaum has seized control with no experience to justify it in his qualifications. Tom Coughlin speaks his mind and challenges notions. That type of coach would never have worked with Tannenbaum's insecurities.

There is no one in the building to truly challenge Tannenbaum with life experience and common sense. No one he can't over talk or dismiss. Especially in Ross' eyes.

Forget the logic and legitimacy of the plans many of you are offering. The man executing them has no track record of following conventional logic. New and "outside the box" thinking does not imply success. It merely foreshadows results that reflect the agent of change's past.

Belief in Stock Piling Compensatory Picks
This dream that is being sold asks us to believe in the future and disregard the obvious missteps occurring right before our eyes. In fact, the contradictory evidence is already right in front of us. Let's take Lamar Miller for example. We let him walk. We simply don't value him as much as Houston. Our hard limit was $5M/year. That was our valuation. He leaves and immediately we begin hearing how the "front office" believes Ajayi is the better back. Then, days later, we make an offer on Anderson that will "make it very hard for Denver to match". We hear how once again the "front office" believes Anderson is better than Miller. He is an ascending talent with a more complete game. Yet, we only offer $4.5M; less than Miller. Denver schooled us and showed us how to keep talent. You don't value Anderson @ $4.5M when you believe he is better than the $5M Miller. I'm sorry, it's double talk.

Then you strike out offering more money to C Johnson than his previous team. Then you fall back again and begin pursuing trade talks with KC about a RB they don't even want and will probably cut. This stinks of desperation. Then fall back again and sign Isiah Pead and Daniel Friggin' Thomas.

Grade F

Don't defend Isiah Pead and Daniel Thomas as "camp bodies". You only invite people to camp you would be satisfied keeping on the team if they prove worthy. Otherwise, you are wasting the time of your staff and other players presenting them with inferior talent to evaluate and compete against. You do your entire team a disservice.

And let's not forget those precious compensatory picks. Remember, those were the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The reason for letting OV, Miller, Matthews and Shelby walk. A few days ago, your VP was in discussions to TRADE a pick for a RB that will be cut.

Meanwhile, you also traded down 5 spots OUT of the Top 10 in the 1st round to acquire an walking injury MLB and an overpaid CB. The logic does not add up gentlemen. If draft picks are your pot of gold, you don't waste them on marginal talent acquisitions. You collect them and grow them into opportunities at ELITE players. That is the whole reason for stock piling draft resources, to get YOUNGER and BETTER.

Understand, I believe the same way you do about being responsible with draft resources and building to the future. But you are letting your own judgement cloud the facts.


Trades, Draft Day 2016 and Draft Day 2017
The final act and revealing of Tannenbaum's true colors. The test to see if he really has changed his ways.

Tannenbaum cannot keep himself from trading and burning draft picks. He has already traded from 8 to 13. He's been in talks with KC about trading for a RB. And let's not forget the trades we were involved in last year.

For those who really don't want to see how bad Tannenbaum's penchant for trading and draft resource mismanagement can be... you need to read about the 2009 Jet's Draft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_New_York_Jets_season


The real test for all of this "stockpiling picks" philosophy will be tested soon enough. Once the trades start flying, realize what we gave up to acquire those precious picks and then stand back and truly assess what proven resources were lost to acquire hope and promises that all of the retreads, injury prone, unproven and high risk players we have acquired.

Then realize all of these changes are occuring with a rookie HC and other critical coaches new to their position, a GM puppet, an absentee owner and a 3 year mandate for it to all work (playoffs).

It takes at least half of a season for new players to acclimate and become productive with a new team. But, we are also stock piling picks for 2017. Inferring our "real" team won't be seen until Week 9 of 2017. That leaves Gase only 1 full season in 2018 to make all of this work.

That is NOT sound management. We are pinning all hopes on next year's draft, a complete organization of people in new jobs they've never had and 24 games between Week 9 of 2017 and all of 2018 to make this work. This is NOT a sound plan.



The body of work does not support the notion this plan is sound, well thought out and deserving of praise.

I am willing to reserve final judgement on the results (in the W column). But to anoint Tannenbaum as some reformed genius that just needed some time away to get it all worked out is foolish. I wouldn't align my own wisdom with Tannenbaum's actions just yet. This man has done nothing to receive praise.

You can defend your beliefs, but I would think twice about defending the man in charge of executing your beliefs.

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I have to admit it is different not seeing us spend like drunken sailors. But I think it is overdue that we back off doing so, it hasn't served us well. No one knows how this will all turn out until this fall when the games are played. I certainly can see concerns as mentioned above about Tbaum's plan, but we'll have to see how it all plays out. How much will Gase's coaching improve players? Will we draft well? This is the absolute greatest concern for me. Will the players mesh as a team? Will we use the comp picks wisely? And my second biggest concern... will Tbaum trade away picks like a drunken sailor or choose poorly in 2017? (Actually, that gives a bad name to drunken sailors.) I am willing to wait and see how it all pans out without getting too upset. Clearly there is a different thought process going on. We'll see if it gets us anywhere. God, I hope so! We're sooooo... due.
 
Whether anybody likes it or not, we are stuck with Tannenbomb for the near future. All the whining in the world isn't changing a thing ....

Future is not here yet to say how this will all turn out and at this point is still a crap shot although this year can be considered more the crap than the shot. We are seeing a different approach in which they obviously are not targeting this year and it looks like they are reloading ammo for the next couple years .....

We are were we are and to be fair judging at this stage, when we are being dismantled to a point is silly to predict with accuracy the success that has not even started to be developed yet.

I'm just happy to see this kind of approach, now how successful it will be is still an unknown and we all are going to have to let it played out. But at this stage they in the early faze of tearing down and not majorly focused on true upgrades for the future (though a couple have potential). We should see more of a realistic sign at the end of the month with the Draft. That may be a little more legit time to criticize some of their first building moves for the future, instead of now...and hoping that working together as a group can bring more success than the single judgement of one who has not shown enough success in the past to be considered credible...........but then even a broken clock is right twice a day.............
 
I have to admit it is different not seeing us spend like drunken sailors. But I think it is overdue that we back off doing so, it hasn't served us well. No one knows how this will all turn out until this fall when the games are played. I certainly can see concerns as mentioned above about Tbaum's plan, but we'll have to see how it all plays out. How much will Gase's coaching improve players? Will we draft well? This is the absolute greatest concern for me. Will the players mesh as a team? Will we use the comp picks wisely? And my second biggest concern... will Tbaum trade away picks like a drunken sailor or choose poorly in 2017? (Actually, that gives a bad name to drunken sailors.) I am willing to wait and see how it all pans out without getting too upset. Clearly there is a different thought process going on. We'll see if it gets us anywhere. God, I hope so! We're sooooo... due.

wow
Was writing my post as you were yours, seems like we are pretty much on the same page.....only difference maybe I don't expect much this season..............
 
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