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Dion Jordan the 3rd down specialist vs Hurry-up Offense

normaldude said:
I'm reading that Dion Jordan is expected to be a 3rd down specialist in our defense.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...ordan-stack-up-with-other-no-3-overall-picks/

If so, would he be able to make the field against a hurry-up / no-huddle offense?

I remember the Patriots used to burn us when we tried to substitute against their hurry-up / no-huddle offense.
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I can't believe I'm reading this. Joe Philbin isn't so dumb as to use the number three pick in the draft as a situational "third-down specialist". No general manager in their right mind other than Dave Wannstedt (reference to Jamar Fletcher) would waste a high first round pick on a situational player. So the premise of the question must be flawed -- they don't view Jordan as a 3rd down specialist. If they do, then either Philbin isn't half the coach I believe him to be (not likely), Jeff Ireland is as dumb as a rock (incompetent yes, but stupid no), or Jordan's injury is more significant than anyone is admitting to (a distinct possibility).

To address the point of your question, no, he would not be able to get on the field against a reasonably proficient hurry-up/no-huddle offense. The fact that a defense can't substitute against such an offense is what makes the offense so effective.
 
We could have used him against arizona at the end of the game last year. Everyone was so gassed, even Wake
 
z926538 said:
I can't believe I'm reading this. Joe Philbin isn't so dumb as to use the number three pick in the draft as a situational "third-down specialist". No general manager in their right mind other than Dave Wannstedt (reference to Jamar Fletcher) would waste a high first round pick on a situational player. So the premise of the question must be flawed -- they don't view Jordan as a 3rd down specialist. If they do, then either Philbin isn't half the coach I believe him to be (not likely), Jeff Ireland is as dumb as a rock (incompetent yes, but stupid no), or Jordan's injury is more significant than anyone is admitting to (a distinct possibility).

To address the point of your question, no, he would not be able to get on the field against a reasonably proficient hurry-up/no-huddle offense. The fact that a defense can't substitute against such an offense is what makes the offense so effective.
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Teams use rookies as third down specialists all the time. Look at how Bruce Irvin of Seattle was used most of last year and how Aldon Smith was used in 2011.
 
ph0enyx said:
Teams use rookies as third down specialists all the time. Look at how Bruce Irvin of Seattle was used most of last year and how Aldon Smith was used in 2011.
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Rookies yes, but not a top five pick in the draft.
 
Let's not overreact too much. This article, by no means, explains the long-term intentions the coaching staff has for Jordan. As a rookie coming off an injury, the coaching staff's duty is to find the best place for him that allows him to be the most productive, yet not overwhelm him or expose him. For example, if he plays every down and is exposed as a weak run defender, then it's obvious he was not ready to be put in that position yet and needs to improve in that area before he can be trusted with that responsibility. In all likelihood, he will be rotating in frequently with OV on 2nd and 3rd downs and will be used creatively to create pressure on the QB or even drop back into coverage. The "starter" label really is overrated, since a player is best evaluated by his efficiency rather than totals or number of downs played.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Miller actually played very well on base downs as a 4-3 OLB. He just moved down to rush the QB on passing situations.
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He played SOLB except in 3rd downs, when he kicked to end. That's true. That made him a 3rd down pass rush specialist, much like what they are saying Dion Jordan will be. Would you call the Broncos dumb for using the 2nd overall pick on a 3rd down pass rush specialist? Because that's exactly what he was.

Granted he started SOLB, but we don't know if Dion Jordan will start SOLB or sub into specific packages. I was pointing out that the vernacular is misleading
 
He's coming off an injury and like the leach situation we have no clue what's going on. Speculation is speculation!
 
Lets not forget we don't have schleps up there. Defensive line is the largest crowd of talented players on the 2013 Dolphins. We have 3 pro bowlers, 2 1st rounds picks (Jordan, Odrick) and a 2nd round pick in Vernon. It would be tough to stroll in and start regardless of draft status. Jordan was brought in to be a pass rush threat opposite Wake. He will be just that out of the gates and while the rest of his game develops we've got some stout subs who will be stellar vs the run. No worries from me.
 
z926538 said:
I can't believe I'm reading this. Joe Philbin isn't so dumb as to use the number three pick in the draft as a situational "third-down specialist". No general manager in their right mind other than Dave Wannstedt (reference to Jamar Fletcher) would waste a high first round pick on a situational player. So the premise of the question must be flawed -- they don't view Jordan as a 3rd down specialist. If they do, then either Philbin isn't half the coach I believe him to be (not likely), Jeff Ireland is as dumb as a rock (incompetent yes, but stupid no), or Jordan's injury is more significant than anyone is admitting to (a distinct possibility).

To address the point of your question, no, he would not be able to get on the field against a reasonably proficient hurry-up/no-huddle offense. The fact that a defense can't substitute against such an offense is what makes the offense so effective.
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Wow....just terrible stuff here...I mean terrible...
 
CANDolphan said:
He played SOLB except in 3rd downs, when he kicked to end. That's true. That made him a 3rd down pass rush specialist, much like what they are saying Dion Jordan will be. Would you call the Broncos dumb for using the 2nd overall pick on a 3rd down pass rush specialist? Because that's exactly what he was.

Granted he started SOLB, but we don't know if Dion Jordan will start SOLB or sub into specific packages. I was pointing out that the vernacular is misleading
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The premise of the article and the original question is that Dion Jordan would not be on the field on first and second downs. My point is that if this is the case and it isn't something that is related to his injury, then why did we waste the third pick in the entire draft on a situational player? You expect a starter and every down productivity out of top five draft picks. If they are trying to hide the fact that he can't defend against the run then the pick itself was wrong.

I suspect this is injury related.
 
z926538 said:
The premise of the article and the original question is that Dion Jordan would not be on the field on first and second downs. My point is that if this is the case and it isn't something that is related to his injury, then why did we waste the third pick in the entire draft on a situational player? You expect a starter and every down productivity out of top five draft picks. If they are trying to hide the fact that he can't defend against the run then the pick itself was wrong.

I suspect this is injury related.
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It's not...it would be he's light in the pants related and a liability against the run at de on early downs...Jordan in the 240s at 6 ft 6 plus would wear a target at de in the run game...that weight matters folks on that height when it comes to lead in the pencil...

If you see him early downs get a lot of run I bet it's as a solb where his lack of strength at the poa vs the run off the Los could be masked somewhat and his athleticism can take over
 
if so, it probly has more to do w/ Vernon being a stud. no need to hurry the rookie. just let it play out.
 
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