Do you think teams can trust each other on draft day trades?

[Russ57]

I don't know quite how to phrase this so bear with me.

In the 2020 NFL draft assume the Bengals draft either Tua or Burrows. Also assume Redskins, Lions, and Giants have no intention of picking a QB. That would leave either Tua or Burrows for us with the fifth pick. Now it is quite possible another team might try to move up in the draft to grab a QB. Of course the Dolphins have more to offer.

So, I guess what I am asking is what are the chances a team would lie to us and say another teams wants to trade up and is offering (something insane for arguments sake)?

I could see that as smart poker. On the other hand, when truth comes to light, I could see that as greatly damaging that team's ability to execute trades in the future.

So, do you think any teams play those type of games?

 

[SCOTTY]

There is a 100% chance teams are going to lie, teams are going to introduce red herrings, teams are going to release false reports, teams are going to pit other teams against each other...it's all fair game

 

[DOLFANMIKE]

Nobody wants anyone to know what they really want to do.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

I think it happens all the time. Trying to read between the lines and establish what you see as fact or fiction has to be tough on GM's.

I am sure that some teams deal more honestly than others, but every team wants to get the best deal possible in draft trades.

 

[ANUFan]

There is a 100% chance teams are going to lie, teams are going to introduce red herrings, teams are going to release false reports, teams are going to pit other teams against each other...it's all fair game

What i'm curious about is can they blantanly lie about draft offers? For example the Lions want to pimp the Fins for everything they have and say Tampa offered us "THREE #1's" and the Dolphins beat the offer with "FOUR #1's"
Ofcourse, the offer was a lie on the Lions part just to take the Dolphins.

Does the league have a rules against teams blatanly lying like that?

 

[SCOTTY]

What i'm curious about is can they blantanly lie about draft offers. For example the Lions want to pimp the Fins for everything they have and say Tampa offered us "THREE #1's" and the Dolphins beat the offer with "FOUR #1's"
Ofcourse, the offer was a lie on the Lions part just to take the Dolphins.

Does the league have a rules against teams blatanly lying like that?

I not sure but my guess would be no. How would they ever be able to police. Wouldn't it just be a he said he said arguement? I equate conversation between 2 teams like poker. If ones willing to bluff the other needs to be strong enough to call it.
If the lions bluff to get more from us and we tell them to go scratch...they can miss out in either the first offer or an even better offer from us just not as much as they lied about.
Now I know they foe sure have rules like this about injuries but that's a way different situation. That's player saftey.

 

[clownfish]

What so many posters are forgetting about in a Dolphins trade up scenario is the fact that it would only be a 2-3 spot drop for Wash/Detroit. Those GMs don’t want to lose out on the elite 5-8. We would definitely not have to offer up as much as Tampa in your example.

And the actual QB needy teams don’t have the same kind of ammo as the Phins. Chargers at 6 have no extra picks. Jax at 9 has an extra 1st rounder. Raiders at 12 have an extra 1st, but no 2nd rounder. I don’t see why we can’t get a trade up with 1c and 2b or next years later of the 2 first rounders.

 

[Daytona Fin]

What i'm curious about is can they blantanly lie about draft offers? For example the Lions want to pimp the Fins for everything they have and say Tampa offered us "THREE #1's" and the Dolphins beat the offer with "FOUR #1's"
Ofcourse, the offer was a lie on the Lions part just to take the Dolphins.

Does the league have a rules against teams blatanly lying like that?

Highly doubt it and it would be hard to prove if a team did lie. If anything, it would make the lying team/front office untrustworthy in future trades/dealings but again, it would be really hard to find out if they were truthful or not.

 

[Stoobz]

Go by the facts.

Fact is, we have the 5th pick as of now.

That could change, who knows.

 

[ANUFan]

I not sure but my guess would be no. How would they ever be able to police. Wouldn't it just be a he said he said arguement? I equate conversation between 2 teams like poker. If ones willing to bluff the other needs to be strong enough to call it.
If the lions bluff to get more from us and we tell them to go scratch...they can miss out in either the first offer or an even better offer from us just not as much as they lied about.
Now I know they foe sure have rules like this about injuries but that's a way different situation. That's player saftey.

There has to be some sort of record keeping on offers etc.

Highly doubt it and it would be hard to prove if a team did lie. If anything, it would make the lying team/front office untrustworthy in future trades/dealings but again, it would be really hard to find out if they were truthful or not.

I would think there has to be some sort of paper trail. They keep one for other things like injuries, trades, and other transactions throughout the league etc. This particular scenario seems to falls under the 'integrity of the game category." If you have teams out there acting independently and on the "honor code"...Lol...Hell, Look at what the Patriots are willing to do even when rules are in place against it.

It makes sense that there is a league official or something in every draft room to make sure everyone plays nice and true.

 

[fish_fan]

I would think there are no rules on lying but it will hurt a GM's future credibility.

Lets say you fleece a team on a rumor you start and trade your pick for a bunch of theirs. If they do due diligence and talk to other GMs after the fact, good chance they will put 2 and 2 together and figure out you were full of crap. I would assume they would share that knowledge will other GMs and future wheeling and dealing would become harder for you.

If you are a short term GM, I guess you may not care if your name becomes mud but long term, it may come back and hurt you. It takes two to trade and if nobody trusts you, nobody may pick the phone up in the future when you call them.

 

[CANDolphan]

I wonder if my agent buddy would know - this is a great question.

I know THIS -> the communication grid at the draft (Phones between FOs, etc) in case of discrepancy in picks.

As far as hurting a GM's credibility... hm. You think they dont lie constantly?

 

[fish_fan]

Oh, I'm sure they lie but to me there is a difference between manufacturing something outright verse embellishing something. Plausible deniability type of thing.

But I have no first hand knowledge so pure speculation on my side

 

[CANDolphan]

I wonder if my agent buddy would know - this is a great question.

I know THIS -> the communication grid at the draft (Phones between FOs, etc) in case of discrepancy in picks.

As far as hurting a GM's credibility... hm. You think they dont lie constantly?

Great post, dummy! Finish your thought!

"The communication grid at the draft IS RECORDED"

But when I say discrepancy, I mean regarding the pick to the commish. I guess it's to prevent teams from saying they gave a pick, and the pick was skipped over, etc. That kinda thing. I dont know if they are reviewing the logs to see if coaches are lying.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

I don't know quite how to phrase this so bear with me.

In the 2020 NFL draft assume the Bengals draft either Tua or Burrows. Also assume Redskins, Lions, and Giants have no intention of picking a QB. That would leave either Tua or Burrows for us with the fifth pick. Now it is quite possible another team might try to move up in the draft to grab a QB. Of course the Dolphins have more to offer.

So, I guess what I am asking is what are the chances a team would lie to us and say another teams wants to trade up and is offering (something insane for arguments sake)?

I could see that as smart poker. On the other hand, when truth comes to light, I could see that as greatly damaging that team's ability to execute trades in the future.

So, do you think any teams play those type of games?

Lie to a degree? Yes. Blatant lies? No. Remember, these guys may need to deal with that same team next year, and human nature is 'you won't fool me twice.' I can see 'we have another offer.' I can't see 'Miami has offered the '20 1st and '21 1st and all you offer is this year's 3rd.'
The final details of the trade between teams are made very clear so no misunderstandings. All the haggling before the agreement will be clouded in obscurity.