Does Jordan Poyers comments about the Dolphins reflect on McDaniel ?

[djphinfan]

Like most I want to believe in our head coach, he does things differently, teaches differently and it would be great if his ways get through to his players to get them to play their hardest for 60 mins with limited mental errors in the process.

After all that is what makes a great coach, the ability to get your players playing at their best mentally and physically for 60 mins.

That is not what Poyer and his Buffalo teammates thought about the Dolphins, he said “ they felt that if they got up on us, “ we would fold”

How can Mcdaniel not take that personally, and what is he gonna do about it are the two questions I have.?

 

[BennySwella]

MM is the part of the reason this team is no longer a laughing stock and the reason we beat the Bills ONCE

The reason the offense exploded was because of his scheme. He is a new head coach and maybe he needs to improve subtly in certain areas, but I have heard player literallys state how MM makes them want to play for him. Because of his passion and how he motivates them to give it their all for him.

 

[BennySwella]

More than anything, I think this is more on Tua. Because the truth is that Tua folds when you get pressure on him. He becomes erratic, he starts throwing highly suspect passes and ints because of the defense disrupting his timing and jamming WRs.

More than anything we need to find a way to protect Tua because he is a surgeon whenever not in that situation

 

[Avigatorx]

The Buck stops with McDaniel. He is the leader of the team.

So yes.

I like McDaniel, and have no idea how much of his input Grier takes when acquiring players, but when the perception you create is a finesse team that lacks physicality and toughness, and then ignore that issue in the offseason, then it sets off red flags on whether he truly has the pulse of his own team.

 

[LibertineOneThree]

More than anything, I think this is more on Tua. Because the truth is that Tua folds when you get pressure on him. He becomes erratic, he starts throwing highly suspect passes and ints because of the defense disrupting his timing and jamming WRs.

More than anything we need to find a way to protect Tua because he is a surgeon whenever not in that situation

There are very few QBs that wouldn't significantly deteriorate given the pressure Tua was under in the second half of last year (for example).

Equally, there are very few - if any - functional offences in the league that Tua wouldn't thrive within.

His productivity under pressure is a symptom, not the cause - in my opinion.

 

[dunegoon]

More than anything, I think this is more on Tua. Because the truth is that Tua folds when you get pressure on him. He becomes erratic, he starts throwing highly suspect passes and ints because of the defense disrupting his timing and jamming WRs.

More than anything we need to find a way to protect Tua because he is a surgeon whenever not in that situation

It's more like a combination of both. He tends to abandon the run when unnecessary. Leaves Chubb on the field for a meaningless game, etc. Tua needs to clamp down and not look for the deep ball all the time. They finally are looking to spread it around more. This is off of Hills comments about being selfish going after 2k.

 

[djphinfan]

MM is the part of the reason this team is no longer a laughing stock and the reason we beat the Bills ONCE

The reason the offense exploded was because of his scheme. He is a new head coach and maybe he needs to improve subtly in certain areas, but I have heard player literallys state how MM makes them want to play for him. Because of his passion and how he motivates them to give it their all for him.

well said, do you think those subtle things you talk about are what Poyer is referring to?

 

[djphinfan]

More than anything, I think this is more on Tua. Because the truth is that Tua folds when you get pressure on him. He becomes erratic, he starts throwing highly suspect passes and ints because of the defense disrupting his timing and jamming WRs.

More than anything we need to find a way to protect Tua because he is a surgeon whenever not in that situation

I do think Tua needs to do a better job managing the game and that’s why I want him lean and mean, to be able to use his legs to get out of trouble, however we give up pressure faster than a lot of team and we get the ball out faster than anyone in the game so Tua gets credit for that.

That being said, Poyers comments were about the team “ folding” to
Me that’s a state of mind comment that the head coach is responsible for.

 

[djphinfan]

The Buck stops with McDaniel. He is the leader of the team.

So yes.

I like McDaniel, and have no idea how much of his input Grier takes when acquiring players, but when the perception you create is a finesse team that lacks physicality and toughness, and then ignore that issue in the offseason, then it sets off red flags on whether he truly has the pulse of his own team.

it’s pretty complicated where to assess blame imo, but I’ve got to feel that McDaniel has got to address it ?

 

[Third Eye]

More than anything, I think this is more on Tua. Because the truth is that Tua folds when you get pressure on him. He becomes erratic, he starts throwing highly suspect passes and ints because of the defense disrupting his timing and jamming WRs.

More than anything we need to find a way to protect Tua because he is a surgeon whenever not in that situation

It’s not just about protection. It’s also about a QBs ability to buy some time and create something out of nothing.

 

[Not Sure]

It's been 40 years of folding.

 

[dolphinheel]

It's more like a combination of both. He tends to abandon the run when unnecessary. Leaves Chubb on the field for a meaningless game, etc. Tua needs to clamp down and not look for the deep ball all the time. They finally are looking to spread it around more. This is off of Hills comments about being selfish going after 2k.

Bingo. You cannot close out cold weather games on the road with an ineffective running game. Too often McD abandoned it and we paid for it. Don Shula told anyone who would listen that to win championships in this conference with so many cold weather venues, you had to run the ball. We didn’t and we lost.

 

[djphinfan]

It's been 40 years of folding.

Coach talks about how the players need to change that perception, and go out and do it, well with Poyers comments he now needs to change that perception of his team

 

[Avigatorx]

It’s not just about protection. It’s also about a QBs ability to buy some time and create something out of nothing.

Kyler Murray buys more time than anyone else in the league.

Where has that gotten Arizona?

You need to give your QB time. Look at the difference it made for Tannehill when he went to Tennessee.

Our oline is weaksauce and the NFL knows it. Bully the Dolphins oline and they collapse.

Edit: In fact, our oline is SO weak that other teams only need to rush 4 guys to get pressure. That's pathetic.

 

[ThePeopleShow13]

This team has folded under pressure for decades. I wasn’t even alive the last time we made it to a Super Bowl. I was 11 years old the last time we won a playoff game.

I think MM has brought life into our team, BUT we have still folded under pressure the last 2 years. I understand we have dealt with tons of injuries, but that is what happens when you draft/sign injury prone players.

I have no problem with Poyer’s comments because I totally agree. The second teams get physical with us the past two years, we roll over. On both sides of the ball, which is why I don’t think he was specifically targeting Tua.

Weaver’s defense needs to change that perception and I’m glad Poyer was open about it.