Does something need to be done with max player salary?

[67Stang]

I know another Tua contract thread, but wanted to ask a different question. It was only 9 years ago when we had a similar decision to make with Tannehill on whether to sign him to a huge contract at the time. Now only 9 years later, we face a similar situation in signing Tua (who I really like) to a huge contact. I think Tua is better than Tannehill, but their similarities (Tannehill in 2015) and Tua's now are eerily similar.

"Tannehill thrived last season in his first year under offensive coordinator Bill Lazor, completing 66.4 percent of his passes for 4,045 yards, 27 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and a 92.8 passer rating.

"We are thrilled that we were able to sign Ryan to an extension," Dolphins vice president Mike Tannenbaum said in a statement. "He is an ascending talent, a team leader and checks all of the boxes you are looking for at the position."

Dolphins sign Tannehill to long-term extension

The Miami Dolphins have signed Ryan Tannehill to a contract extension through the 2020 season. The deal is worth $96 million, including $45 million guaranteed, a source told Adam Schefter.

www.espn.com

You can say both QBs have been good, but not elite

My thing here is not so much a Tannehill vs Tua debate at all. However 9 years ago it was a QB driven league and not much has changed at all. Good QB's are getting paid great money.

My question is should the league start putting limitations on how much individual players can make? Similar to the max deals in the NBA. I mean I think it was a good thing that they put a limit on what a rookies can make. I would whole heartedly support some sort of better structure as to what an individual can make on a contract in the NFL. Just MHO.

 

[HeyJayOh]

 

[circumstances]

I know another Tua contract thread, but wanted to ask a different question. It was only 9 years ago when we had a similar decision to make with Tannehill on whether to sign him to a huge contract at the time. Now only 9 years later, we face a similar situation in signing Tua (who I really like) to a huge contact. I think Tua is better than Tannehill, but their similarities (Tannehill in 2015) and Tua's now are eerily similar.

"Tannehill thrived last season in his first year under offensive coordinator Bill Lazor, completing 66.4 percent of his passes for 4,045 yards, 27 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and a 92.8 passer rating.

"We are thrilled that we were able to sign Ryan to an extension," Dolphins vice president Mike Tannenbaum said in a statement. "He is an ascending talent, a team leader and checks all of the boxes you are looking for at the position."

Dolphins sign Tannehill to long-term extension

The Miami Dolphins have signed Ryan Tannehill to a contract extension through the 2020 season. The deal is worth $96 million, including $45 million guaranteed, a source told Adam Schefter.

www.espn.com

You can say both QBs have been good, but not elite

My thing here is not so much a Tannehill vs Tua debate at all. However 9 years ago it was a QB driven league and not much has changed at all. Good QB's are getting paid great money.

My question is should the league start putting limitations on how much individual players can make? Similar to the max deals in the NBA. I mean I think it was a good thing that they put a limit on what a rookies can make. I would whole heartedly support some sort of better structure as to what an individual can make on a contract in the NFL. Just MHO.

I complained about this system when Christian walked.

Not sure how to fix it, but the franchise tag isn't enough to keep other teams from going full retard on signing away your good players.

 

[spiketex]

Tannehill was paid as a mid-range QB at the time and Tua will be looking to be paid as one of the best. It is simply not an equivalent scenario. Miami has not had a top level QB since Dan Marino until Tua walked into the building and Dan retired like 25 years ago.
Market rates have increased dramatically. Tua needs to be paid what he is worth and that will probably be over $53M pa.

 

[Highzenga]

I know another Tua contract thread, but wanted to ask a different question. It was only 9 years ago when we had a similar decision to make with Tannehill on whether to sign him to a huge contract at the time. Now only 9 years later, we face a similar situation in signing Tua (who I really like) to a huge contact. I think Tua is better than Tannehill, but their similarities (Tannehill in 2015) and Tua's now are eerily similar.

"Tannehill thrived last season in his first year under offensive coordinator Bill Lazor, completing 66.4 percent of his passes for 4,045 yards, 27 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and a 92.8 passer rating.

"We are thrilled that we were able to sign Ryan to an extension," Dolphins vice president Mike Tannenbaum said in a statement. "He is an ascending talent, a team leader and checks all of the boxes you are looking for at the position."

Dolphins sign Tannehill to long-term extension

The Miami Dolphins have signed Ryan Tannehill to a contract extension through the 2020 season. The deal is worth $96 million, including $45 million guaranteed, a source told Adam Schefter.

www.espn.com

You can say both QBs have been good, but not elite

My thing here is not so much a Tannehill vs Tua debate at all. However 9 years ago it was a QB driven league and not much has changed at all. Good QB's are getting paid great money.

My question is should the league start putting limitations on how much individual players can make? Similar to the max deals in the NBA. I mean I think it was a good thing that they put a limit on what a rookies can make. I would whole heartedly support some sort of better structure as to what an individual can make on a contract in the NFL. Just MHO.

The highest paid qb is still making less than the highest paid nba players. I understand if it seems excessive but imagine how much an nfl team makes. Players should get a bigger piece of the pie. The nfl is built on parity so if you have an elite qb then you have to pay him which makes it harder to build a good team around him because of the salary cap. Make no mistake, Tua has been elite the past two years.

 

[fin007]

This guy would agree with you:

 

[fin007]

This guy disagrees with you:



Our modern system of government and economics disagrees with you.

Thanks to that guy, I get paid market rate. Tua will get paid market rate. The world is a happier place.

 

[67Stang]

The highest paid qb is still making less than the highest paid nba players. I understand if it seems excessive but imagine how much an nfl team makes. Players should get a bigger piece of the pie. The nfl is built on parity so if you have an elite qb then you have to pay him which makes it harder to build a good team around him because of the salary cap. Make no mistake, Tua has been elite the past two years.

There are 82 games in an NFL season too....plus playoffs. A player that goes to the finals in the NBA plays as many games in the post season as an NFL player plays all year. However my statement was not meant to compare sports, but more of how the NBA limits (to an extent) what players can make.

 

[Atila]

I know another Tua contract thread, but wanted to ask a different question. It was only 9 years ago when we had a similar decision to make with Tannehill on whether to sign him to a huge contract at the time. Now only 9 years later, we face a similar situation in signing Tua (who I really like) to a huge contact. I think Tua is better than Tannehill, but their similarities (Tannehill in 2015) and Tua's now are eerily similar.

"Tannehill thrived last season in his first year under offensive coordinator Bill Lazor, completing 66.4 percent of his passes for 4,045 yards, 27 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and a 92.8 passer rating.

"We are thrilled that we were able to sign Ryan to an extension," Dolphins vice president Mike Tannenbaum said in a statement. "He is an ascending talent, a team leader and checks all of the boxes you are looking for at the position."

Dolphins sign Tannehill to long-term extension

The Miami Dolphins have signed Ryan Tannehill to a contract extension through the 2020 season. The deal is worth $96 million, including $45 million guaranteed, a source told Adam Schefter.

www.espn.com

You can say both QBs have been good, but not elite

My thing here is not so much a Tannehill vs Tua debate at all. However 9 years ago it was a QB driven league and not much has changed at all. Good QB's are getting paid great money.

My question is should the league start putting limitations on how much individual players can make? Similar to the max deals in the NBA. I mean I think it was a good thing that they put a limit on what a rookies can make. I would whole heartedly support some sort of better structure as to what an individual can make on a contract in the NFL. Just MHO.

So let’s entertain this for a second - what’s your result in putting a cap on QB payment?

Because there is a salary cap, so the money just gets moved to another position. Do you prefer this? So then what happens is you’ll be getting mid level “good” QBs getting the same money as elite QBs. And does that number move up every year as the salary cap increases?

So if I’m Mahomes, I’m obviously telling the Chiefs we are renegotiation every year and upping my salary so I’m not getting paid the same as Matthew ****ing Stafford.

So then it just becomes a useless mess.

 

[Atila]

There are 82 games in an NFL season too....plus playoffs. A player that goes to the finals in the NBA plays as many games in the post season as an NFL player plays all year. However my statement was not meant to compare sports, but more of how the NBA limits (to an extent) what players can make.

The NBA also has fully guaranteed contracts and no hard salary cap. The league and the spending is managed entirely differently.

 

[67Stang]

The NBA also has fully guaranteed contracts and no hard salary cap. The league and the spending is managed entirely differently.

One again, I am not comparing the leagues as a whole......just one aspect. Also, yes, ANY position or player could be maxed, based on a percentage of the cap. This is just MHO and would insure better payment to all positions throughout the league. I mean when a player like Tua can make $20M more a year than a player like Hill, there is a serious positional gap that has nothing to do with talent in the league. IMHO, it needs to be addressed, just like rookie caps were addressed.

 

[Feverdream]

In answer to the original post... absolutely.

Players get paid out of a predetermined pie of money. When one player gets more, the others less.

This isn't capitalism vs. socialism despite what some of the brothers posted. The NFLPA negotiated the salary cap and tied it exactly to league revenue. The only question remains is... how is it allocated between the Union members... and right now, there is a serious imbalance.

 

[67Stang]

Tannehill was paid as a mid-range QB at the time and Tua will be looking to be paid as one of the best. It is simply not an equivalent scenario. Miami has not had a top level QB since Dan Marino until Tua walked into the building and Dan retired like 25 years ago.
Market rates have increased dramatically. Tua needs to be paid what he is worth and that will probably be over $53M pa.

Actually at the Time of the deal, Tannehill was paid as the 5th highest QB in the league behind only Brees, Manning, Rodgers, and Romo.

 

[MARINO1384]

There are 82 games in an NFL season too....plus playoffs. A player that goes to the finals in the NBA plays as many games in the post season as an NFL player plays all year. However my statement was not meant to compare sports, but more of how the NBA limits (to an extent) what players can make.

And yet the NFL made 18.2 Billion and the NBA is only 10.58 billion. NFL players are severely underpaid. NBA bench 6th and 7th men make pretty much top 10 salaries in any position other than qb.

What you’re saying is just not plausible and NFLPA would die laughing at this proposal.

 

[1972forever]

I know another Tua contract thread, but wanted to ask a different question. It was only 9 years ago when we had a similar decision to make with Tannehill on whether to sign him to a huge contract at the time. Now only 9 years later, we face a similar situation in signing Tua (who I really like) to a huge contact. I think Tua is better than Tannehill, but their similarities (Tannehill in 2015) and Tua's now are eerily similar.

"Tannehill thrived last season in his first year under offensive coordinator Bill Lazor, completing 66.4 percent of his passes for 4,045 yards, 27 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and a 92.8 passer rating.

"We are thrilled that we were able to sign Ryan to an extension," Dolphins vice president Mike Tannenbaum said in a statement. "He is an ascending talent, a team leader and checks all of the boxes you are looking for at the position."

Dolphins sign Tannehill to long-term extension

The Miami Dolphins have signed Ryan Tannehill to a contract extension through the 2020 season. The deal is worth $96 million, including $45 million guaranteed, a source told Adam Schefter.

www.espn.com

You can say both QBs have been good, but not elite

My thing here is not so much a Tannehill vs Tua debate at all. However 9 years ago it was a QB driven league and not much has changed at all. Good QB's are getting paid great money.

My question is should the league start putting limitations on how much individual players can make? Similar to the max deals in the NBA. I mean I think it was a good thing that they put a limit on what a rookies can make. I would whole heartedly support some sort of better structure as to what an individual can make on a contract in the NFL. Just MHO.

The NFL players association has been working for years to ensure players make as much money as possible.

The owners continue to make more and more money as TV contracts rise every year. So contracts for players are only going to continue to go up every year and since it is the players that make the sport what it is, they deserve to make as much as possible.

In fact I believe that with the increase in the salary cap yearly, we will see top QB’s earning a minimum $75 million a year by 2030. The massive contracts now being signed by the best players in the league will look like cheap deals in just a few years.