Does this team have an EFFORT/Accountability problem?

[ANUFan]

I want to point directly to 4 players:

N.Carrol
J.Wilson
R.Starks
P.Soliai

I'm sure their maybe others but these 4 players in particular gave some frighteningly lackluster effort on several plays throughout the season. I mean stuff that made S.Smith's effort look like Don Beebe chasing down the Cowboys player during the Superbowl.


Is this further indication of a Coaching Problem? Because I can't imagine a New England Patriot Player literally watch as his teammate(Ellerbe) struggle to try and keep the opposing Player(G.Smith) from getting in the EndZone. Especially, in a pivotal win and your in type of Playoff scenario.

It sickens me to list the other players "efforts" here so I won't.

Is this a sign of a Coaching/Accountability Problem?

 

[z926538]

You have to take Starks off that list. He has been playing under the tag all season against his will. He owes this team no accountability or loyalty at all. If you want accountability, sit down with the man's agent and work out a fair contract. Jeff Ireland chose not do so.

 

[ANUFan]

You have to take Starks off that list. He has been playing under the tag all season against his will. He owes this team no accountability or loyalty at all. If you want accountability, sit down with the man's agent and work out a fair contract. Jeff Ireland chose not do so.

He is/was a member of the team and he was getting paid! That's no excuse for the lack of effort he gave at times this season. You can't possibly be serious.... 8.5 mil IYO is not enough for you to do your damn job??

 

[z926538]

He is/was a member of the team and he was getting paid! That's no excuse for the lack of effort he gave at times this season. You can't possibly be serious....

He was getting paid less than he would be making in the free market. You want to pay 80% of what a man is worth, don't be surprised when he gives you 80% effort.

Football is a business, not a kum-bah-yah sing-a-long at summer camp. These players know that the teams will cut them at a moments notice once their skills start to decline or if they are injued. They have incredibly short careers and have to make as much money as possible as quickly as they can. When you tag a man you limit his ability to provide for his family's future. Don't be shocked when he doesn't take it well.

 

[ANUFan]

He was getting paid less than he would be making in the free market. You want to pay 80% of what a man is worth, don't be surprised when he give you 80% effort.

What the heck does that have to do with the Dolphins? The NFL rules allowed them to use the Franchise Tag and they utilized that options per the rules! IMO, Starks isn't worth more than he's being paid now. Additionally, if his effort is truly based on, "He didn't feel that he was being paid fairly" then I definitely don't what him or anyone else with that type of Character on my team.

 

[TealAttack13]

Take a second...you just answered your own question.

 

[GreenMts]

Reality check on Starks - would you expect an employee who is been under-compensated and forced into a role, to give 100%. Personally I'd expect them to punch in and out and do nothing extra and special. I'd also expect that they would be resentful. This is about management anticipating normal human responses in the business setting. We can try to make it about character but basically we are asking an employee to take a raw deal and take it like a man. The world doesn't work that way. Consciously or not, in effects peoples behavior in non productive ways.

 

[GreenMts]

Is this a sign of a Coaching/Accountability Problem?

Our horrendous tackling is most certainly a sign of a coaching problem.

 

[ANUFan]

Reality check on Starks - would you expect an employee who is been under-compensated and forced into a role, to give 100%. Personally I'd expect them to punch in and out and do nothing extra and special. I'd also expect that they would be resentful. This is about management anticipating normal human responses in the business setting. We can try to make it about character but basically we are asking an employee to take a raw deal and take it like a man. The world doesn't work that way. Consciously or not, in effects peoples behavior in non productive ways.

Oh, I see this must be just like when a player aka R.Jones gets greatly rewarded and gives incredible effort throughout the season. Got it! Thanks for showing me how that works...

 

[GreenMts]

Oh, I see this must be just like when a player aka R.Jones gets greatly rewarded and gives incredible effort throughout the season. Got it! Thanks for showing me how that works...

I did not make the contention that money solely motivates players , especially more money. I am making the contention that compensation and more importantly treatment that is perceived as a wanting will lower motivation. I get the feeling you think that Starks and other NFL players are chattel. I think they know that perception exists in NFL management and they respond negatively.

Actually, the whole idea that money motivates after a certain point is quite suspect. Watch this clip about motivation. http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation.html

I maintain my contention that giving a player a raw deal - at least in their perception - will cause them to be less productive. We can argue about whether it was a raw deal - $8.5M and all - but it is probably less than he would get in the open market. Starks could have had a career ending injury this year. In that scenario the fins took money off his plate.

 

[finfan54]

You have to take Starks off that list. He has been playing under the tag all season against his will. He owes this team no accountability or loyalty at all. If you want accountability, sit down with the man's agent and work out a fair contract. Jeff Ireland chose not do so.

wtf? dude, youve lost all cred.

 

[finfan54]

Reality check on Starks - would you expect an employee who is been under-compensated and forced into a role, to give 100%. Personally I'd expect them to punch in and out and do nothing extra and special. I'd also expect that they would be resentful. This is about management anticipating normal human responses in the business setting. We can try to make it about character but basically we are asking an employee to take a raw deal and take it like a man. The world doesn't work that way. Consciously or not, in effects peoples behavior in non productive ways.

I expect a guy who has already made millions and made 8 mil more to not flip his coaching staff the bird so the whole world sees it.

Starks made 8 million dollars. Thats more ducks than 90-something percent in the league.

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And Grimes played on a one year prove it deal. thing is, he proved it.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I think we have a talent/scheme problem.

 

[Spiff]

Reality check on Starks - would you expect an employee who is been under-compensated and forced into a role, to give 100%. Personally I'd expect them to punch in and out and do nothing extra and special. I'd also expect that they would be resentful. This is about management anticipating normal human responses in the business setting. We can try to make it about character but basically we are asking an employee to take a raw deal and take it like a man. The world doesn't work that way. Consciously or not, in effects peoples behavior in non productive ways.

I don't think that this is true, especially not for a player in a contract year. Yes, football is a violent sport and there is a good risk of having a career ending injury any time you step on the field but playing less than 100% when you're playing for a new contract would be pretty stupid and that's why I don't think Randy Starks did not give his all this season.

Add to that, the 8.5 million he got is more than he would have received on a per-year-basis had he signed a long-term contract.

 

[Mudder1310]

Wilson is on my s*** list after his weak effort against NE. I know we won that game but you can't give the WR a high five on the way to a td. If I were the DB coach I'd have been so far up his a** the water on my knee would quench his thirst.