TrogdorTheBurninator
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This is true, but Tua also doesn't have a 'weak arm'. A QB who has to immediately scramble on 9/10 drop backs is going to have some erratic throws. This isn't a strong/weak arm problem.
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Yah 32 jobs in the world who the bleep would want to hitch their wagon to MIA and Tua
Just watch lol
Wait til the news hits you that Tua is sitting on the HC interviews
Per the insider 347
I would agree the two are independent of each other.
That in no way discounts my point though.
A pi$$ poor line is going to negatively affect any QB. That is a separate discussion in my mind that many conflate.
Yeah, but I gave several examples besides Brees in the earlier post. And I wasn't saying because Brees did not have a strong arm that Tua would be a HOF like him, but doesn't mean he cannot be successful all the same. There are plenty of examples of players who don't have strong arms but had plenty of success. Hell, Brad Johnson had the weakest arm ever seen and he won a SB with TB.
Exactly…it’s laughable!
It would be different if Tua had shown us more on the field…
TrogdorTheBurninator
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Nope. It's relevant.
You mean if Tua put up the stats you're looking for?
He showed plenty of ability.
There you go again….Brad Johnson had one of the top five defenses in NFL history…that carried that team.
And no…Tua’s arm is weaker!
Trucanes99
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I guess it's relevant because Tua plays football and we're talking about HOFers who also played football, but that's where the relevance begins and ends IMO...
No..he didn’t.
He displayed a weak arm and an inability to see open receivers down the field…he continued his habit of ugly turnovers at bad times.
He proved he can hit short passes on the first read…
Again, it isn't about what is possible. It is about what is probable.
I for one have higher aspirations than Brad Johnson. Just because TB won with an outstanding defense, I'm not going to pattern my strategy on that premise.
I'm almost positive you wouldn't either. That's what makes it a bad example.
Nobody wants a meh game manager at QB. I'm not saying that's Tua's ceiling. In fact, my comments had to do with using comps that actually go against what ppl are trying to support. Really has nothing to do with Tua specifically.
It has to do with using outliers to support a position.
Not sure why it is so hard to understand that.
TrogdorTheBurninator
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The only thing I remotely agree with is ugly turnovers. I am, in fact, worried if he'll be able to play in weather he faced in TEN.
Trucanes99
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It's not you, it's the person "trying" to comprehend.
Cheetah
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I am officially confused. I thought Ross came out and said the fate of the QB position would be in the hands of the new coach going forward. Now the new coach will have no say and be hamstrung with a QB he may not believe in?
I am sorry but that is why we are who we are. We always do half measures. We keep a failed GM but fire the coach, now we want a coach to accept certain parameters and be surprised when he fails? I wanted Tua as much as the next guy and have the jerseys, shirts, etc.. to show for it. But I have not seen one special trait that leads me to believe he is the answer.
Strangely enough I think he is tough and gritty, not even worried about the injuries. That being said he is short, doesn't have great wheels, his arm is nothing special. I would love to know what everyone that has watched him see in him that gives them this warm and fuzzy feeling. So we get better linemen, a RB and another WR and he will look like Russell Wilson? We will see.
I am sorry but that is why we are who we are. We always do half measures. We keep a failed GM but fire the coach, now we want a coach to accept certain parameters and be surprised when he fails? I wanted Tua as much as the next guy and have the jerseys, shirts, etc.. to show for it. But I have not seen one special trait that leads me to believe he is the answer.
Strangely enough I think he is tough and gritty, not even worried about the injuries. That being said he is short, doesn't have great wheels, his arm is nothing special. I would love to know what everyone that has watched him see in him that gives them this warm and fuzzy feeling. So we get better linemen, a RB and another WR and he will look like Russell Wilson? We will see.
dagger151
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Yes, just watch Herbert escape the pocket and throw 65 yards on a dime without putting everythig he has into it. Watson is the same, it looks effortless and the ball is on the money, not short. Tuas deep throws are short. wasting the few times we get separation deep. He looks like he is struggling to throw that deep, putting everythign he has into it... maybe its the hip injury? In the NFL you need to be accurate deep if there isnt a ton of separation. I honestly dont know why people cant see that much of Tua's success is attributed to a loaded offense at Alabama with arguably the best coach in college football.
There you go again coming up with excuses with every example I give
If you’re gonna keep being a troll no reason to converse
Easy to give examples but you’ll eventually run out of spin doctoring