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Dolphins believe in Tua Tagovailoa, expect new coach to build around QB, via Ian Rapoport

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And fun fact: Drew Brees never completed a pass 50 or more yards in the air in his entire Saints career. Tua had multiple this season.

Just saying, since it's a hinderance and all.

cool, but advanced passing stats tell a more complete story:

Look at IAY/PA which is Intended Air Yards per Pass Attempt - Average Depth of Target, whether completed or not

Advanced Passing​


Air Yards

GamesPassing
RkPlayerTmAgePosGGSCmpAttYdsIAYIAY/PA
CAYCAY/CmpCAY/PAYACYAC/Cmp
1Russell WilsonSEA33QB1414259400311339569.917306.74.313835.3
2Justin FieldsCHI22qb1210159270187026419.811787.44.46924.4
3Lamar Jackson*BAL24QB1212246382288235439.317347.04.511484.7
4Jalen HurtsPHI23QB1515265432314438679.016816.33.914635.5
5Baker MayfieldCLE26QB1414253418301036108.616326.53.913785.4
6Matthew StaffordLAR33QB1717404601488650928.527606.84.621265.3
7Josh AllenBUF25QB1717409646440753048.226646.54.117434.3
8Kirk CousinsMIN33QB1616372561422145768.224156.54.318064.9
9Tom Brady*TAM44QB1717485719531657918.127625.73.825545.3
10Derek CarrLVR30QB1717428626480450938.125255.94.022795.3
11Joe BurrowCIN25QB1616366520461141928.123326.44.522796.2
12Mac JonesNWE23QB1717352521380141618.020275.83.917745.0
13Kyler Murray*ARI24QB1414333481378738478.019866.04.118015.4
14Teddy BridgewaterDEN29QB1414285426305234178.016585.83.913944.9
15Trevor LawrenceJAX22QB1717359602364147447.920045.63.316374.6
16Dak PrescottDAL28QB1616410596444945927.724255.94.120244.9
17Aaron Rodgers*+GNB38QB1616366531411540997.719475.33.721685.9
18Justin Herbert*LAC23QB1717443672501450767.626275.93.923875.4
19Carson WentzIND29QB1717322516356339417.619135.93.716505.1
20Taylor HeinickeWAS28QB1615321494341937627.616555.23.417645.5
21Zach WilsonNYJ22QB1313213383233429007.612455.83.310895.1
22Ryan TannehillTEN33QB1717357531373439597.519585.53.717765.0
23Jimmy GaroppoloSFO30QB1515301441381033117.518446.14.219666.5
24Patrick Mahomes*KAN26QB1717436658483948297.321404.93.326996.2
25Sam DarnoldCAR24QB1211243406252729477.311514.72.813765.7
26Davis MillsHOU23QB1311263394266428527.214195.43.612454.7
27Daniel JonesNYG24QB1111232361242826167.213345.83.710944.7
28Matt RyanATL36QB1717375560396839867.122446.04.017244.6
29Tua TagovailoaMIA23QB1312263388265327347.014365.53.712174.6
30Ben RoethlisbergerPIT39QB1616390605374040526.718084.63.019325.0
31Jared GoffDET27QB1414332494324531506.414904.53.017555.3
 
cool, but advanced passing stats tell a more complete story:

Look at IAY/PA which is Intended Air Yards per Pass Attempt - Average Depth of Target, whether completed or not

Advanced Passing​


Air Yards

RkPlayerTmAgePosGGSCmpAttYdsIAYIAY/PA
CAYCAY/CmpCAY/PAYACYAC/Cmp
GamesPassing
1Russell WilsonSEA33QB1414259400311339569.917306.74.313835.3
2Justin FieldsCHI22qb1210159270187026419.811787.44.46924.4
3Lamar Jackson*BAL24QB1212246382288235439.317347.04.511484.7
4Jalen HurtsPHI23QB1515265432314438679.016816.33.914635.5
5Baker MayfieldCLE26QB1414253418301036108.616326.53.913785.4
6Matthew StaffordLAR33QB1717404601488650928.527606.84.621265.3
7Josh AllenBUF25QB1717409646440753048.226646.54.117434.3
8Kirk CousinsMIN33QB1616372561422145768.224156.54.318064.9
9Tom Brady*TAM44QB1717485719531657918.127625.73.825545.3
10Derek CarrLVR30QB1717428626480450938.125255.94.022795.3
11Joe BurrowCIN25QB1616366520461141928.123326.44.522796.2
12Mac JonesNWE23QB1717352521380141618.020275.83.917745.0
13Kyler Murray*ARI24QB1414333481378738478.019866.04.118015.4
14Teddy BridgewaterDEN29QB1414285426305234178.016585.83.913944.9
15Trevor LawrenceJAX22QB1717359602364147447.920045.63.316374.6
16Dak PrescottDAL28QB1616410596444945927.724255.94.120244.9
17Aaron Rodgers*+GNB38QB1616366531411540997.719475.33.721685.9
18Justin Herbert*LAC23QB1717443672501450767.626275.93.923875.4
19Carson WentzIND29QB1717322516356339417.619135.93.716505.1
20Taylor HeinickeWAS28QB1615321494341937627.616555.23.417645.5
21Zach WilsonNYJ22QB1313213383233429007.612455.83.310895.1
22Ryan TannehillTEN33QB1717357531373439597.519585.53.717765.0
23Jimmy GaroppoloSFO30QB1515301441381033117.518446.14.219666.5
24Patrick Mahomes*KAN26QB1717436658483948297.321404.93.326996.2
25Sam DarnoldCAR24QB1211243406252729477.311514.72.813765.7
26Davis MillsHOU23QB1311263394266428527.214195.43.612454.7
27Daniel JonesNYG24QB1111232361242826167.213345.83.710944.7
28Matt RyanATL36QB1717375560396839867.122446.04.017244.6
29Tua TagovailoaMIA23QB1312263388265327347.014365.53.712174.6
30Ben RoethlisbergerPIT39QB1616390605374040526.718084.63.019325.0
31Jared GoffDET27QB1414332494324531506.414904.53.017555.3
There's a difference between not having the opportunity to consistently throw the ball down the field to raise your averages due to your trashcan Oline and not having the arm strength to throw deep at all with that fun narrative.

I'm well aware of the ADOT rankings.
 
There's a difference between not having the opportunity to consistently throw the ball down the field to raise your averages due to your trashcan Oline and not having the arm strength to throw deep at all with that fun narrative.

I'm well aware of the ADOT rankings.

That's the thing with stats. We're looking at a stat that is per attempt. Yes, he has fewer attempts than most other QBs because he often doesn't have enough time to throw because the line sucks blah blah.... but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that when he IS able to throw, it is often a short pass that is attempted. That speaks to his arm strength, not whether or not he had enough chances to exhibit the strength of his arm because of a poor O-line. I guess it also speaks to the fact that he is bad at throwing on the run.
 
That's the thing with stats. We're looking at a stat that is per attempt. Yes, he has fewer attempts than most other QBs because he often doesn't have enough time to throw because the line sucks blah blah.... but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that when he IS able to throw, it is often a short pass that is attempted. That speaks to his arm strength, not whether or not he had enough chances to exhibit the strength of his arm because of a poor O-line. I guess it also speaks to the fact that he is bad at throwing on the run.
Nope. Speaks to timing.
 
That's the thing with stats. We're looking at a stat that is per attempt. Yes, he has fewer attempts than most other QBs because he often doesn't have enough time to throw because the line sucks blah blah.... but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that when he IS able to throw, it is often a short pass that is attempted. That speaks to his arm strength, not whether or not he had enough chances to exhibit the strength of his arm because of a poor O-line. I guess it also speaks to the fact that he is bad at throwing on the run.
Oh, does it now? Or maybe because he doesn't know when he is or isn't going to get time and guessing incorrectly means he breaks some more ribs. I dunno, if it were me, I'd be throwing quick behind this line as much as I humanly could.

He worked a lot in the offseason on building up his strength and you could see the difference. So the fact his ADOT was lower this year with a worse line than it was as a rookie maybe has something to do with the line and not being too weak to throw 8 yards instead of 7 lol.
 
I don't believe this is what Ross truly meant to convey here. Tua is not untouchable and the new coach will ultimately make a decision. Just please oh please consider Tua as an option. Ross is probably just placating to the Tua crowd... We shall see!
You like taking wild guesses, I take it. All good. Good luck with that approach. I take a more measured approach to predicting the future. In fact, I concede I know nothing about what Ross might have for lunch today.
 
THIS RIGHT HERE…..we have NO IDEA how good Tua can be. The dude has been blessed 😒 with the weakest o-line in the league, a bottom 3 run game and a injury plagued WR unit that had its best with a ROOKIE and a TE? On top of that playing for a coach that NEVER WANTED him and literally handcuffed him to NOT succeed mean while going behind his back and spearheading trade rumors to bring in another qb to take over his job. How can ANYONE play well in that 💩? Y’all gave Tannehill 7 years to grow but can’t give Tua 3 with all the crap he had to play through? Geez
I get all that and I am a believer in Tua, or at least a believer that he should be given another year, but what worries me is WHY did Flores give up on him. I know Flores is a jerk and can’t build a coaching staff, but he’s a master at drawing up a defensive game plan. So I assume he considers Tua someone that, even with a good o line, would be easy to game plan against. That worries me.
 
That's the thing with stats. We're looking at a stat that is per attempt. Yes, he has fewer attempts than most other QBs because he often doesn't have enough time to throw because the line sucks blah blah.... but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that when he IS able to throw, it is often a short pass that is attempted. That speaks to his arm strength, not whether or not he had enough chances to exhibit the strength of his arm because of a poor O-line. I guess it also speaks to the fact that he is bad at throwing on the run.
No, the lack of time to throw doesn't mean fewer attempts. It means the WRs don't have time to run deeper routes before he has to throw it, hence a lower YPA by necessity, not by choice. When he did have time to throw, he was more vertical with his throws.

His issue so far is not that he is a checkdown artist at all. The question is can he cut down on mistakes and be more consistent. I think he can.
 
You like taking wild guesses, I take it. All good. Good luck with that approach. I take a more measured approach to predicting the future. In fact, I concede I know nothing about what Ross might have for lunch today.
Well well I'm not surprised considering where you're from, how very Saturnian of you to respond with this. 🤭 You enjoy the limitations of your refined measured approach to predicting the future and I'll continue to allow these "wild guesses" or what we would identify as intuitive insights to flow through. We'll see how each of these methods of processing serve us when it comes to navigating these future timelines. So good luck to yoU my friend. Hmm and maybe a little bit of Jupiter's wisdom may serve you well. 🙏
 
After first 2 years of josh allen some of you wouldbe looki g for another qb. Put talent around qb and develop with good coaching. Not what flores is good at. Thats why he is looking for team with ecperienced qb.
 
Well well I'm not surprised considering where you're from, how very Saturnian of you to respond with this. 🤭 You enjoy the limitations of your refined measured approach to predicting the future and I'll continue to allow these "wild guesses" or what we would identify as intuitive insights to flow through. We'll see how each of these methods of processing serve us when it comes to navigating these future timelines. So good luck to yoU my friend. Hmm and maybe a little bit of Jupiter's wisdom may serve you well. 🙏
Rarely do I encounter people who describe their own thought processes as being “intuitive insights”. A wild guess is not an intuitive insight. Not by a long shot. Maybe your intuitive insight can help us figure out what Ross will have for breakfast tomorrow, before he has breakfast. 😂
 
That's the thing with stats. We're looking at a stat that is per attempt. Yes, he has fewer attempts than most other QBs because he often doesn't have enough time to throw because the line sucks blah blah.... but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that when he IS able to throw, it is often a short pass that is attempted. That speaks to his arm strength, not whether or not he had enough chances to exhibit the strength of his arm because of a poor O-line. I guess it also speaks to the fact that he is bad at throwing on the run.
Yep. That's that's the thing. Even when he has time to throw, he's still throwing short. It's just what he does, and makes sense considering how poor his intermediate throwing is.

 
IMO people who think that throwing short is the QB's fault whenever there is more time to throw have never had to design an offense. Reality is that if you don't trust the OL to hold their blocks long enough, your pattern depth and reads will dictate shorter throws.
 
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