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Dolphins could be picking 45th in the 2nd round.

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Instead of picking 47th we may move up 2 spots. Heard this morning that the Falcons (42nd pick) and the Browns (43rd pick) may lose their 2nd round draft picks as a result of their violations...Browns for texting to the sidelines during games and Falcons for pumping fake crowd noise in during home games (for the last two years). Cleveland does have two 1st round picks which I'm sure they'll use one of those for a WR...they could very well use the second 1st rounder for Brett Hundley although their defense is soft at DT (32nd against the run). Atlanta is another team that needs defense, mainly DBs and pass rushers given their 32nd ranking against the pass last year.

If the Dolphins are focused on defense for that 2nd pick this could help.
 
Nothing but good news, worst comes to worst we just stay in the same spot
 
Hell, it is nice to the Dolphins not involved in this....on top of that, Detroit has said they would not pursue Tampering allegation in the signing of Suh
 
Pumping in crowd noise should lose the Falcons their 1st rounder, to be honest. That's a very serious violation of protocol. It's developing an entire system of cheating with the specific aim of interfering with the ability of the other team to play the game. The amount of thought that has to go into it in order to develop a system of pumping crowd noise and then try not to be caught is what is particularly disturbing about it. This isn't just some "oops" thing. It's akin to having someone sneak into closed practices with a video camera to scout your next opponent's game plan.
 
Yea I agree with CK about the punishment. Atlanta knowingly created, or attempted to create an uneven playing field slighted in their favor. That is cheating and cheating of any kind should result in a loss of a 1st round pick ...***cough**Kraft**cough***
 
I agree that Atlanta's violation is much more serious than Cleveland's.

I do not understand why what Cleveland did is against the rules.Why can't a GM communicate with coaches during the game if he wants to?

He should be leaving the coaches alone so that they could, you know, COACH, but I don't see why it is verboten.
 
I agree that Atlanta's violation is much more serious than Cleveland's.

I do not understand why what Cleveland did is against the rules.Why can't a GM communicate with coaches during the game if he wants to?

He should be leaving the coaches alone so that they could, you know, COACH, but I don't see why it is verboten.

In the case of the Browns, I was more confused why the coach would have his phone with him on the sidelines during the game.
 
This is how I see the Cleveland thing.

I don't think there should be outside contact with the sidelines. For instance, what is to keep teams from having paid football advisors around the country all watching a game live and communicating right with the sideline coach or someone who could communicate with them, like a GM, Giving live feedback and suggestion?

Come to think of it, sounds like the Patriots.
 
Pumping in crowd noise should lose the Falcons their 1st rounder, to be honest. That's a very serious violation of protocol. It's developing an entire system of cheating with the specific aim of interfering with the ability of the other team to play the game. The amount of thought that has to go into it in order to develop a system of pumping crowd noise and then try not to be caught is what is particularly disturbing about it. This isn't just some "oops" thing. It's akin to having someone sneak into closed practices with a video camera to scout your next opponent's game plan.

Honestly though, even with the pumped in noise, is it louder than Arrowhead stadium?
It's an issue, but not that great IMO. There are plenty of loud venues in the NFL.
 
Honestly though, even with the pumped in noise, is it louder than Arrowhead stadium?
It's an issue, but not that great IMO. There are plenty of loud venues in the NFL.

The point you bring up is valid. There's some question about whether the punishment should be associated with how USEFUL the cheating is, or should it be more based on the intentions of the club that engaged in cheating.

The precedent in my opinion with Spygate is that the punishment is more directly tied to the intentions rather than the effect on the game. There has never been any good evidence that the Patriots' taping of hand signals was of any use whatsover, since those hand signals are often changed quarter-by-quarter, let alone game-to-game. It was certainly never something that could become useful in-game, though we all tried to come up with implausible scenarios whereby the film could be cut up in time to use it after halftime. Nearly all football people who have experience with this stuff weighed in and said it wouldn't have really helped the Patriots much.

But they lost a 1st round pick anyway and it was because of how intentional and elaborate the whole thing was. To have a guy sneaking to a spot with a camera and filming, and to ignore repeated warnings by the NFL that no team is allowed to do this, the whole thing was so willful that Goodell stripped them of a 1st round pick.

That's the same deal here with the crowd noise. EVERYONE knows this is illegal. Everyone knows this is cheating. And it's immediately intuitive how this could be considered helpful on a football field. There's no guessing game like with the filming of the hand signals. By doing it anyway, you're levying a direct challenge at the integrity of the game. That's why the whole thing needs to result in a righteous smiting.

Letting them off easy would be akin to telling the rest of the league, especially dome teams, go ahead and pump in crowd noise, not really a big deal. We're just going to take some mid or late round pick from you IF we catch you, which we probably won't.
 
Not to sound negative but is there a big difference between picking 45th versus 47th??
 
Looks like the Dolphins draft for 2015 won't change. Cleveland suspended GM Farmer for the first 4 games without pay and the franchise was fined $250,000. No loss of picks.

Atlanta lost a 2016 5th round pick. Pretty soft punishment.
 
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