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Miami Dolphins cornerback Tony Lippett (36) during practice drills. - Steve Mitchell-USA TODAY Sports

Miami Dolphins defensive coordinator Vance Joseph spoke about the team's cornerback position battle this week. Head coach Adam Gase weighed in as well.

The Miami Dolphins have overhauled their secondary after a disappointing 2015 season. While the grouping is still centered around Pro Bowl safety Reshad Jones, the cornerbacks will feature all new starters, and it is not yet known who will be those starters. Byron Maxwell, for whom the team traded this offseason, is assumed to be locked into one spot, but there are several players in the running for the other starting spot, as well as the nickel cornerback position, and the depth spots behind them.
“It’s going well," Dolphins defensive coordinator Vance Joseph said on Monday. "Obviously, Maxwell is a guy we’re hoping to be our starting right corner. We have (Tony) Lippett and (Xavien) Howard competing for the left side. (We) also (have) Bobby McCain involved. It’s an ongoing battle, but you guys all know (that) to be a great secondary, we need three or four guys who can play. That’s important (to) keep those guys. It’s getting better every day.”

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Byron Maxwell #31 of the Philadelphia Eagles during their game at Bank of America Stadium on October 25, 2015 in Charlotte, North Carolin Miami released Brent Grimes after three Pro Bowl seasons with the team this offseason. Grimes and the Dolphins appear to have simply grown apart, and the two sides made the decision to move on from each other. The Dolphins will now be looking toward Maxwell to fill the top cornerback role, replacing the 15 starts, four interceptions, 14 passes defensed, and 49 tackles from Grimes last year.
To bolster the group, the Dolphins added Xavien Howard in the second round of the 2016 Draft. The rookie was immediately penciled into the starting lineup, though Tony Lippett, a second-year player after being selected in the fifth round in 2015, is improving in his conversion from a college wide receiver to an NFL cornerback.
We’re just going to compete – Tony (and I) – on the other side of Maxwell.“I think we’re getting the same reps," Howard said after the Organized Team Activity workout on Monday, speaking about the competition between he and Lippett. "We’re just going to compete – Tony (and I) – on the other side of Maxwell. But (I am) learning from him – learning from Tony and Maxwell.”
Howard was a focus for the media on Monday, with several questions asked of Joseph about the rookie. “Not yet," Miami's defensive coordinator explained when asked if Howard knows how to use his size (6-foot, 201 pounds) to his advantage yet. "He has showed us that he has great movement skills. He has long speed. He has ball skills. He has great lateral quickness. Obviously, being a rookie, he knows nothing about playing the position on this level but talent-wise, he’s what we thought he was going to be."

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Xavien Howard of Baylor breaks up a pass against Oklahoma State. “Vance Joseph leans on me hard, so he’s expecting a lot from me," Howard said of the defensive coordinator. "I have to work hard every day and listen to him.”

"His footwork is really good," Joseph continued about Howard. "His patience – his eye progression – it needs some work. That’s most young corners coming to the league. In college, you can kind of put your eyes in the wrong spots and still make plays, because the quarterbacks aren’t as accurate. But in the NFL, if you put your eyes in the wrong spot, you won’t make a play. That’s his issue – it’s really eye progression – even patience you could say.”
And then Lippett and [Howard] are just battling. It’s like, ‘Who’s going to be the guy?’ And they just keep fighting.I’ve seen a guy that’s really stepped up and competed at this level," head coach Adam Gase added to the discussion of Howard. "He’s seen a lot of different routes, probably more than what he saw in college. And the guys he’s going against are pretty good. To see all these different looks and being able to stick with a lot of these guys has been impressive. I know the thing that you love about this kid is he’s just constantly working. Being around guys like Maxwell and seeing what he does day in day out, he has a great guy to kind of learn under. And then Lippett and him are just battling. It’s like, ‘Who’s going to be the guy?’ And they just keep fighting.”
The nickel cornerback position has yet to be decided as well. Bobby McCain, another fifth-round pick from 2015 for Miami, is thought to have the early edge in the competition, but like the outside cornerbacks, it is still an open battle. “Nickel is going," Joseph said of the competition. "We have Bobby McCain working there. We have the young kid from Penn State – (2016 sixth-round pick Jordan) Lucas – working there, also. (Tyler) Patmon is working there, also. That’s an, obviously, important job. That’s a starting position. Most of your snaps are going to be in nickel, so that spot is obviously an important spot. And we have to find a guy who can do it from down to down.”

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Bobby McCain #28 of the Miami Dolphins runs the ball and is pursued by Zach Brown #55 of the Tennessee Titans at LP Field on October 18, 2015 in Nashville, Tennessee. The Dolphins defeated the Titans 38-10. The Dolphins also have former Cleveland Browns cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, who is returning from an ACL tear that forced him to miss the entire 2015 season, his rookie year after being selected in the seventh round by the Browns. Ekpre-Olomu was injured in practice leading into Oregon's Rose Bowl appearance, causing him to fall from a potential first-round pick to the Browns taking a flyer on him in the seventh round. A year later, Cleveland waived him, with Miami winning the waiver claim this offseason. “We’re taking it slow with him," Joseph said of Ekpre-Olomu. "He had a, obviously, serious, serious knee injury, and it has probably been a year – a year and a couple months – from his injury. We’re taking it slow with him. (We are) hoping to get him to camp, so we can give him more attention. But right now, we’re feeding him some reps slowly, so we can get him back in the groove of playing football.”
We want him to have that swagger.The position battle at cornerback is not all-work all-the-time, however, as there has been a lot of fun trash talking already noted between the group - specifically Maxwell - and Gase. “There’s probably a little favoritism towards the offense but I guess that’s just been something that I’ve enjoyed being around the DBs," Gase said of the trashing talking with Maxwell. "I always love the swagger that they come with. You don’t hear a lot of offensive guys talking a lot of time. Defensive guys have a tendency to talk a little more and I love that. I love the energy when the guys bring that and as soon as he (Maxwell) arrived...He was part of one of the greatest defenses in the history of football in 2013 with Seattle and he has that to him. That’s the way he was raised coming into this league and that’s what we want from him. We want him to have that swagger. We want him to have that confidence and I just like being around that. For me, it gets me going before practice when I see him; I know I’m going to say something. Like today, he started off with me. I mean he came at me hard so that was good. And I love that and it gets me going for practice.”
“I try," Gase said of his ability to trash talk with the defensive backs. "I can’t keep up though.”
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My expectations are not super high for this group this year I think we are a piece missing but I can see them becoming something very good in the league in the future...
 
This is beginning to really worry me. It's not so much Howard or Lippett starting opposite Maxwell but the total lack of experience at nickel too. Given the injury problems that we seem to perennially see at corner, the top 4-5 guys on this roster are likely to see significant playing time at some point this season. Right now that's terrifying given the names we have there and the lack of starting experience / leadership throughout the whole group.
 
I am cautiously optimistic one of Howard/Lippett will emerge as the go-to starter and will be average (which is all you could ask for given their experience levels). They'll each have their growing pains, but they couldn't ask for a better tutor in Joseph.

That said, the lack of depth in our secondary is what is truly terrifying. No one can afford to get injured, and if they do it's Armageddon. I'm seriously crossing my fingers at this point for an unexpected CB cut as teams whittle their teams down over the summer.
 
This is beginning to really worry me. It's not so much Howard or Lippett starting opposite Maxwell but the total lack of experience at nickel too. Given the injury problems that we seem to perennially see at corner, the top 4-5 guys on this roster are likely to see significant playing time at some point this season. Right now that's terrifying given the names we have there and the lack of starting experience / leadership throughout the whole group.
Not as worried about McCain since he played most slot snaps in last half of the season. That doesn't mean NO concerns, but fewer. Howard/Lippert should be OK after a 1st-8-game rough start. After that? I agree. Not much to make me feel warm and fuzzy.
 
howards high in his pedal on that clip but the feet the foot work and the fluidity shows very well
 
Sign Chris Culliver. Start him on the PUP. A veteran with Super Bowl experience who was one of the best in football back in 2014. Has experience playing all CB positions and safety.

They should have already signed him and been paying for stem cell treatments in Switzerland at the same clinic Peyton Manning went to.
 
Its funny he mentioned not being able to keep up with the dbs on trash talking because I noticed after the talib incident that its always db's that get shot. Coincidence?? I think not. They talk tons of ****!
 
Brandon Boykin is still available although that degenerative hip condition "rumor" is going to scare teams.
 
Again getting a much clearer picture of who is battling who for what spot, who is penciled in already, etc, at corner. Prior years it was closer to "they are all just trying to make the team" from the coaches in the off-season.
 
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