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Dolphins Hire Bobby Slowik for OC

Mach2 said:
Ahhhh....

You hit the nail on the head as to why it is inherently flawed.

I do not believe it is possible for PFF graders to know every player's responsibility or assignment on every play. Certainly not in the few hours between the game's completion and their published grades.

Obviously, there are plenty of occasions where assignments are obvious. But there are also times when the failure of one player has a cascade effect on others.

Then there is the fact that not all evaluators are of equal ability and competency. That's just a plain fact.

As I said it can be a point of reference, but should not be one's primary basis of argument, IMO.
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It's not that complicated. And the rule is that if they aren't sure the grade is a neutral 0. Grades are supposedly reviewed by senior reviewers and I have no reason to believe that isn't really happening.

No grading/scoring system is perfect for all purposes. There's always some margin for error. There's no reason to think any particular team or player suffers more heavily from grading errors than any other.

Unfortunately, unless one is using SIS (which I do like better for many purposes) or something else that covers all plays there's no other principled basis for argument about overall play. One can cherry pick individual plays (good and bad) argue over video of those, but that has no bearing on what happened on all the other plays. Most often people seem to argue from their own subjective "eye test" based on a casual watching of the game with focus on a small subset of plays. I think PFF is far more reliable and credible than that nonsense.
 
Fineas said:
It's not that complicated. And the rule is that if they aren't sure the grade is a neutral 0. Grades are supposedly reviewed by senior reviewers and I have no reason to believe that isn't really happening.

No grading/scoring system is perfect for all purposes. There's always some margin for error. There's no reason to think any particular team or player suffers more heavily from grading errors than any other.

Unfortunately, unless one is using SIS (which I do like better for many purposes) or something else that covers all plays there's no other principled basis for argument about overall play. One can cherry pick individual plays (good and bad) argue over video of those, but that has no bearing on what happened on all the other plays. Most often people seem to argue from their own subjective "eye test" based on a casual watching of the game with focus on a small subset of plays. I think PFF is far more reliable and credible than that nonsense.
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I pay $4.99/mo for PFF. How much is SIS?
 
I mean. Playbook, whole team is familiar with it, gives the RB’s similar system. Gives the o-line similar system. We can get rid of bad contracts and not worry about every position in 1 off season
 
We all talk about a "bridge-QB" I feel like Slowik is essentially a "bridge-coordinator" until the offensive line or the offense as a whole reflects more of what the new GM/HC want for their scheme. If Slowik is truly the guy, cool one less thing to worry about until someone poaches him for their team.

Just seems like the holdovers from the McDaniel staff are for transitional purposes. We all keep hearing that McDaniel was the one calling the plays and the issues were on his calls. That said, I guess it's time to truly prove the problems with the O play calling was on him.
 
Mach2 said:
Ahhhh....

You hit the nail on the head as to why it is inherently flawed.

I do not believe it is possible for PFF graders to know every player's responsibility or assignment on every play. Certainly not in the few hours between the game's completion and their published grades.

Obviously, there are plenty of occasions where assignments are obvious. But there are also times when the failure of one player has a cascade effect on others.
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I could see this bigly on pattern-match type defenses especially. One miscommunication or incorrect assessment of when a receiver becomes your assignment and boom, play busts.
 
Alphadog24x7 said:
We all talk about a "bridge-QB" I feel like Slowik is essentially a "bridge-coordinator" until the offensive line or the offense as a whole reflects more of what the new GM/HC want for their scheme. If Slowik is truly the guy, cool one less thing to worry about until someone poaches him for their team.
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I've only seen some of hafley's stuff so far but I don't get the sense he or the GM are "scheme" guys as much as they want to build talent in the trenches. Seem open to "whatever works best based on my players" while trying to get the best, most versatile guys.
 
Some Dude said:
I could see this bigly on pattern-match type defenses especially. One miscommunication or incorrect assessment of when a receiver becomes your assignment and boom, play busts.
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Again, if there is uncertainty about the responsibility it is supposed be a neutral 0 grade. If the receiver gets his separation while the DB is clearly trying to stay with him it would be a negative grade for the DB. If the DB hands him off and the receiver then makes the catch or remains open then I think it comes down to whether the hand-off was arguably the right move, i.e., there is another defender there to hand off to or there logically should have been. Yes, pattern match is probably the most difficult kind of play to grade and any given play could be graded incorrectly, but over the course of the game or season no player should systematically benefit or suffer from incorrect grades on individual plays. There's no indication they favor any team or player.

No grading system is perfect, but even assuming a certain degree of error, it's clearly more reliable than a dude in his underwear on his sofa watching the game once as a fan and claiming he can analyze those pattern match rules better and that PFF's grade is wrong. It's not whether PFF is perfect or always right, but whether it is more informed and reliable than other sources. It may be that one of the handful of other similar services does it better, but that's never been the argument I've seen. The arguments I've seen have come from underwear guy who claims PFF is wrong on its grade of every snap without having himself reviewed every snap other than casually as a fan watching the game.

I don't think anyone that understands what they are doing, or trying to do, claims it is the gospel or relies on it exclusively. It seems like it is always people who don't seem to understand what they are doing and who haven't done any similar type of rigorous review of every snap who trash it because the grades don't match what they expect and who mistakenly believes the grades are supposed to reflect who is the "better" or "more talented" or "more impactful" player.
 
Some Dude said:
Dang, what business you in?
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That business is/was a sophisticated form of fantasy football that used some advanced metrics for scoring. But I don't think it will be operating for the '26 season.
 
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