Dolphins In A Bind At QB

[Da 'Fins]

The Dolphins will likely and should cut Gus Frerotte by Thursday, perhaps earlier. And, they would like to go after Drew Brees - if he is still available.

But, they will be in a bind of sorts based on either scenario with respect to the collective bargaining situation:

1) If the owners and the NFLPA come to a new agreement, that's great for everyone as the "cap" will likely increase to approx. $104 M and will increase the # of years bonus money can be prorated, thus allowing teams teams to go after players and offer significant contracts. From the Dolphins perspective, this is good, of course, but it is good for every team. It will give SD even more leeway to gamble on signing Brees to a long-term deal. They are already in pretty decent cap shape and they can afford to take the risk if there's a new agreement. With respect to other teams QB's, the odds are less likely for several releases taking place for the same reasons above.

2) If there is no new agreement, the cap stays in place as it is and we will cut Frerotte and Seau just to get a few million under the cap. SD will surely not want to risk offering Brees a significant deal. Under this scenario, Brees will be on the market and possibly other QB's will be released. However, also under this scenario, the Dolphins will have far fewer dollars to spend. Plus, they will not be able to pro-rate the bonus $$ some 6-7 years out - but only 4 years out. That means they will have even less spending power. Once again, they will face the challenge of signing Brees (versus his signing with another team that may have a better cap situation) - and even if they sign him, they would be taking a risk with his shoulder situation (look at what happened to Pennington's arm strength) and they would likely have to put a significant dent into any free cap space they have.

Either way, it will be difficult to go after a QB in free agency in my estimation. The best potential for the team, imo, is scenario one and Brees just doesn't want to sign with SD - perhaps he's tired of the games they've played with him in not giving him a long-term deal. Of course, if they outbid the Dolphins, then they outbid them.

 

[Firemedic18]

Brees will not sign with the Chargers. It's all over the news that this will not happen. And last time I looked Brees isn't the second coming of Marino so if we don't sign him life will go on.

 

[Geforce]

The Dolphins will likely and should cut Gus Frerotte by Thursday, perhaps earlier. And, they would like to go after Drew Brees - if he is still available.

But, they will be in a bind of sorts based on either scenario with respect to the collective bargaining situation:

1) If the owners and the NFLPA come to a new agreement, that's great for everyone as the "cap" will likely increase to approx. $104 M and will increase the # of years bonus money can be prorated, thus allowing teams teams to go after players and offer significant contracts. From the Dolphins perspective, this is good, of course, but it is good for every team. It will give SD even more leeway to gamble on signing Brees to a long-term deal. They are already in pretty decent cap shape and they can afford to take the risk if there's a new agreement. With respect to other teams QB's, the odds are less likely for several releases taking place for the same reasons above.

2) If there is no new agreement, the cap stays in place as it is and we will cut Frerotte and Seau just to get a few million under the cap. SD will surely not want to risk offering Brees a significant deal. Under this scenario, Brees will be on the market and possibly other QB's will be released. However, also under this scenario, the Dolphins will have far fewer dollars to spend. Plus, they will not be able to pro-rate the bonus $$ some 6-7 years out - but only 4 years out. That means they will have even less spending power. Once again, they will face the challenge of signing Brees (versus his signing with another team that may have a better cap situation) - and even if they sign him, they would be taking a risk with his shoulder situation (look at what happened to Pennington's arm strength) and they would likely have to put a significant dent into any free cap space they have.

Either way, it will be difficult to go after a QB in free agency in my estimation. The best potential for the team, imo, is scenario one and Brees just doesn't want to sign with SD - perhaps he's tired of the games they've played with him in not giving him a long-term deal. Of course, if they outbid the Dolphins, then they outbid them.

Interesting scenarios. If reports are correct, we don't have to worry about the Chargers out bidding us for Brees. The owner is tired of spending huge money on Rivers to have him sit for another year. Marty wants him back but may not get his wish. We should be more worried about teams like the Packers, Vikings and other with significant cap space to give Brees the kind of money he may want. One good thing for us is that we are an up and coming team and he may feel he has a better chance of getting to the Super Bowl with us than the other teams.

 

[PMZQ]

Sounds like no matter what we're EFFED. How in the world did Saban not take care of this last year ?

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Brees will not sign with the Chargers. It's all over the news that this will not happen. And last time I looked Brees isn't the second coming of Marino so if we don't sign him life will go on.

NOT true, simpily not true. Life will NOT go on if we don't sign Brees. It was announced on CNN that if the Dolphins do not sign Brees then there is no reason to go on living so the president has decided to nuke the whole planet.
He said as a by product of this decision we will also get rid of the towel heads which he thought was a good idea any way.
Bottom line is pray that we sign Brees or we will all die.

 

[Geforce]

Sounds like no matter what we're EFFED. How in the world did Saban not take care of this last year ?

Huh? What? Who? I think Saban thought he did when he brought Linehan's personal whipping boy with him.

 

[Geforce]

NOT true, simpily not true. Life will NOT go on if we don't sign Brees. It was announced on CNN that if the Dolphins do not sign Brees then there is no reason to go on living so the president has decided to nuke the whole planet.
He said as a by product of this decision we will also get rid of the towel heads which he thought was a good idea any way.
Bottom line is pray that we sign Brees or we will all die.

What do you mean "we" kemo?

 

[slyfox13]

Sounds like no matter what we're EFFED. How in the world did Saban not take care of this last year ?

saban cant fix what wanny wrought in 2 yrs geeze maybe youve forgotten the spielman vacuum effect:cooldude:

 

[Firemedic18]

NOT true, simpily not true. Life will NOT go on if we don't sign Brees. It was announced on CNN that if the Dolphins do not sign Brees then there is no reason to go on living so the president has decided to nuke the whole planet.
He said as a by product of this decision we will also get rid of the towel heads which he thought was a good idea any way.
Bottom line is pray that we sign Brees or we will all die.

Your a funny guy.............

 

[PMZQ]

saban cant fix what wanny wrought in 2 yrs geeze maybe youve forgotten the spielman vacuum effect:cooldude:

He should have seen this as a possibility and gone with another QB....last year was a waste year, and we got a 9-7 and I'm sure saban didn't have expectations of that good. By bringing in Frerrote and now that b*stard won't renegotiate with us, we're screwed. Not good judgement on Saban's part.:fire:

 

[RevRick]

He should have seen this as a possibility and gone with another QB....last year was a waste year, and we got a 9-7 and I'm sure saban didn't have expectations of that good. By bringing in Frerrote and now that b*stard won't renegotiate with us, we're screwed. Not good judgement on Saban's part.:fire:

Too bad your 20/20 hindsight was not verbalized two years ago. OH, and it's only 20/20 with your own examination - not a professionals.

 

[dolphingator]

Since the league is allowing cuts to be rescinded by the clubs, I would go ahead and cut Frerotte and whoever else is needed NOW, to show Brees that they are serious about doing whatever it takes to land him. Green Bay and Detroit will be still be looking for the playoffs 10 years from now. I mean, what can we lose? We can get the people back if we want, anyway?

Miami needs to make Brees see that THIS is the place to be, to come and let Saban put a SB ring on his finger.

 

[aerokev]

He should have seen this as a possibility and gone with another QB....last year was a waste year, and we got a 9-7 and I'm sure saban didn't have expectations of that good. By bringing in Frerrote and now that b*stard won't renegotiate with us, we're screwed. Not good judgement on Saban's part.:fire:

so what if frerotte doesn't negotiate, there are a lot of options besides the draft (of which last year there was not a single QB worth drafting). brees ramsey, brooks, mccown to name a few. saban may not of expected a 9-7 season, but frerotte was his best option to evaluate the players that he had and to see who was expendable this year, frerotte is expendable not vital to the teams success so i don't know how you figure miami is screwed

 

[LOCAL SCUM!]

Sounds like no matter what we're EFFED. How in the world did Saban not take care of this last year ?

You couldn't be MORE wrong. WE WILL end up with Brees. Saban knows what he's doing. WHO in the WORLD was out there last year that we could have gotten?? Plus With our cap situation last year? You're horrible.

 

[prolific]

prolific

The Dolphins will likely and should cut Gus Frerotte by Thursday, perhaps earlier. And, they would like to go after Drew Brees - if he is still available.

But, they will be in a bind of sorts based on either scenario with respect to the collective bargaining situation:

1) If the owners and the NFLPA come to a new agreement, that's great for everyone as the "cap" will likely increase to approx. $104 M and will increase the # of years bonus money can be prorated, thus allowing teams teams to go after players and offer significant contracts. From the Dolphins perspective, this is good, of course, but it is good for every team. It will give SD even more leeway to gamble on signing Brees to a long-term deal. They are already in pretty decent cap shape and they can afford to take the risk if there's a new agreement. With respect to other teams QB's, the odds are less likely for several releases taking place for the same reasons above.

2) If there is no new agreement, the cap stays in place as it is and we will cut Frerotte and Seau just to get a few million under the cap. SD will surely not want to risk offering Brees a significant deal. Under this scenario, Brees will be on the market and possibly other QB's will be released. However, also under this scenario, the Dolphins will have far fewer dollars to spend. Plus, they will not be able to pro-rate the bonus $$ some 6-7 years out - but only 4 years out. That means they will have even less spending power. Once again, they will face the challenge of signing Brees (versus his signing with another team that may have a better cap situation) - and even if they sign him, they would be taking a risk with his shoulder situation (look at what happened to Pennington's arm strength) and they would likely have to put a significant dent into any free cap space they have.

Either way, it will be difficult to go after a QB in free agency in my estimation. The best potential for the team, imo, is scenario one and Brees just doesn't want to sign with SD - perhaps he's tired of the games they've played with him in not giving him a long-term deal. Of course, if they outbid the Dolphins, then they outbid them.

The phins are currently about 4mil over the cap (according to news reports) and with a few cuts as you have mentioned (Seau, Gus) we will be about 3-4mil under the cap. If they need to free up cap space to sign players they can restructure JT, Zach, Kevin carter and a few other guys to create the necessary cap space.

Dree Bree's will have to sign an incentive laden contract wherever he goe's. It's likely he will sign a one year deal with playing time incentives built in.The phins aren't that bad off.