Dolphins More Effective Without Tyreek Part Deux - The Poll

[phinsforlife]

Our offense is designed to scheme the 1st read open at the expense of the 2nd and 3rd reads not being in a typical progression. The 1st read on the INT play was the deep route to Waddle. The play was designed so the route Waller ran would move the safety over. It did not work. Waddle would have walked in for a TD if it did.

Tua has not played well, but McDaniel has been absolutely horrendous play calling the passing offense this year. Particularly once Hill was hurt. At least half (probably more) of his INTs have come on plays designed to go to the 1st read that did not work.

The team is better when we are run first. That doesn’t mean Hill would not help the offense. If anything, having Hill and Waddle would only make it easier to run and then work in play action passes.

Hill should help the offense, but seemingly doesn't I think because McDaniel gets too pass happy when he is out there, and will not commit to the run. Maybe I have phrased the whole thing poorly. The problem is not Tyreek, it is how Tyreek is utilized and what happens with the play calling and the entire team when he is out there. It is a McDaniel issue more than a Tyreek issue in my view. And partially a Tua issue too, he seems to have tunnel vision for Tyreek often. Which you could potentially argue is a coach issue because the first read is designed around Tyreek.

 

[TKAllDay]

Outside of 17 we have no WR, also no tight end

 

[phinsforlife]

Outside of 17 we have no WR, also no tight end

it is quite normal to only have 1 highly paid guy like waddle. when we had both waddle and tyreek out there, we were 0-3. having 2 very expensive receivers is not a golden ticket. i believe argue 1 is sufficient, along with a good TE and running game. $50mm-$60mm between two guys is too much tied up in the position

 

[resnor]

no we are not more productive without him.

 

[DuderinoN703]

Hill is sorely needed on this team. Westbrook-Ichine, Washington, Wilson, or anyone else aren’t worth a **** at all.

 

[phinsforlife]

Hill is sorely needed on this team. Westbrook-Ichine, Washington, Wilson, or anyone else aren’t worth a **** at all.

NWI one more failed FA acquisition at WR. I think the problem is the QB. You want a big receiver, that is less quick, fine. But that usually means you need a big armed QB to drive the ball to them for the routes they are good at running. It is a misfit. Every single one of the guys we bring in with this profile has not worked out.

 

[Jamesw]

We need a true X receiver more than we need Hill.

 

[mwestberry]

The passing offense is terrible without Hill.

Maybe because no other receiver has enough speed to track Tua's passes. You have to be fast (because in 2.3 seconds the ball is in the air)

be able to stop on a dime, and run back to the ball (because it's short)

and be able to defend the interception. That's a skill most receivers don't have.

Hill is not the reason the pass offense sucks.
Tua is.

The only reason to miss Hill is that Tua can throw the ball 30 air yards in 2.3 seconds, and someone has to be fast enough to track and catch the prayer.

Tua sucks and makes those around him suck more than they should.

 

[mwestberry]

Hill should help the offense, but seemingly doesn't I think because McDaniel gets too pass happy when he is out there, and will not commit to the run. Maybe I have phrased the whole thing poorly. The problem is not Tyreek, it is how Tyreek is utilized and what happens with the play calling and the entire team when he is out there. It is a McDaniel issue more than a Tyreek issue in my view. And partially a Tua issue too, he seems to have tunnel vision for Tyreek often. Which you could potentially argue is a coach issue because the first read is designed around Tyreek.

What you have is a QB who throws to a spot on the field in a certain window of time and a receiver who has to get there ... because the ball is going nowhere else.

What you need is a WR who can get open and a QB who can read the field and see what's going on while humming a pass into his hands.

Tua, for the most part, is a spot thrower. Target practice while hoping the receiver gets there in time, or at all.

 

[Adam First]

Looking at the next 5 games, 3 are away.
Anyone tracking Tuas performance home vs away? Next week in NY we will need the good Tua.

Also - early forecast for MetLife Stadium next Sunday is mid 30s with a chance of wintry precipitation. Tua will freeze again since the temperature is below 60 degrees.

 

[LargoFin]

Tyreek would add 3 pts considering the sht QB play, but Achane offers more production per attempt than that in most games. Especially considering that run game eats up the clock more than the pass game which helps to keep the defense off the field.
We are winning with defense basically since the Grier firing. Holding Bills, Commander, and Saints to 17 and under. Our passing game is good for up to 14 points, supplemented by Achane who is also good for up to 14 points by himself, we can score up to low 20s.
Coaching has been brilliant to juice out these last few wins.

 

[DuderinoN703]

NWI one more failed FA acquisition at WR. I think the problem is the QB. You want a big receiver, that is less quick, fine. But that usually means you need a big armed QB to drive the ball to them for the routes they are good at running. It is a misfit. Every single one of the guys we bring in with this profile has not worked out.

NWI was able to score 9 TDs in TEN last year somehow. He’s isn’t ancient and is 6’2. What the ****?

 

[DuderinoN703]

Also - early forecast for MetLife Stadium next Sunday is mid 30s with a chance of wintry precipitation. Tua will freeze again since the temperature is below 60 degrees.

Gonna be cold the next two games at NYJ and PIT. Tua is cooked.

 

[eMCee85]

NWI was able to score 9 TDs in TEN last year somehow. He’s isn’t ancient and is 6’2. What the ****?

Same thoughts for me. It's not them. It's Tua. It always has been. I've seen the 2nd and third options open multiple times but he just won't go there. Coach and qb holding this team back. The sooner we replace them with competant performance, the sooner we can have hope again.

 

[LANGER72]

Also - early forecast for MetLife Stadium next Sunday is mid 30s with a chance of wintry precipitation. Tua will freeze again since the temperature is below 60 degrees.

We won 3 straight. The odds are certainly against us at NY.