Dolphins must get up in Phillip Rivers' grill
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Canadianfishfan
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They better do something.. because they sure as heck didn't do anything Monday night.
It would be nice if they would disguise their blitzes instead of letting the QB and offensive line know where it's coming from on every snap..
Watch the Steelers and watch Rex Ryan's Jets against Brady on Sunday. They were shifting and moving defensive linemen and linebackers before the snap all game long.. They did a lot of overloads to one side, a lot of stunting and crosses with their defensive linemen, then shooting someone through the cross (X).. They also did a lot of zone blitzes confusing Brady and their offensive line.
The Dolphins don't do any of that. They show their hand way before the snap and never check out of it. They do nothing to confuse the QB or the O-Line.
A prime example of that is the last TD pass to Garcon for 48 yards. The Dolphins loaded the line showing blitz with a bunch of people. Manning easily audibled for a quick screen pass to beat the blitz.. Their O-Linemen went downfield to block becuase there is no use staying on their blocks with a quick pass, and those O-Linemen went to block our safeties so GArcon can easily score a TD.
If we had some inagination and disguising, like running a zone blitz on that play after Manning audibles for the quick pass, maybe you drop back a couple people from the line and get in the way of that pass. At the very least if you dropped back a couple it would get in the way of their O-Linemen going downfield, allowing others to make the tackle for a minimal gain (because they wouldn't have been blocked).
Throughout the entire game the Dolphins showed their hand on the defensive front. Manning and their O-Line knew what was coming on every play. The Dolphins make is very easy for offenses to game plan against us because there is no imagination or creativity on defense at all.
Watch what we did to Brady and the Pats when we shut them out 21-0 in 2006.. We were moving JT all around right before the snap-- he was sometimes on the left, up the middle, sometimes on the right side, confusing Brady and their offensive line. We had linemen moving all around right before the snap, as well as linebackers.. Just like the Jets did to Brady on Sunday.
The Dolphins do none of that. That is the problem.
In this league where everyone copies one another, it's a joke that we don't watch film of other 3-4 defenses like the ravens and steelers last year (and jets this year), who do a lot of disguising and looping, crosses with their d-linemen, and have a lot of movement before the snap to confuse offenses and get them off their timing and rhythm.
We should have Wake activated and keep his explosive first step on the outside. This makes an olineman shoot out and creates a big gap from center to outside of the guard. We should be moving around Porter and taylor all over the place right before the snap, and shooting those gaps.. That's why Justin Smiley looked so horrible against Atlanta, because Abraham's speed made Long switch out, giving a huge area for Smiley to cover.. The Falcons were smart as they used their other d-tackle to slant to the opposite side of the center, leaving Smiley in no man's land.
That's confusion.. The Dolphins do no slanting, no looping, no double shooting, no setups to create a hole on an offensive line to shoot through.. All they do is go man-on-man, and that makes it so easy for offensive lines to read, and makes it very easy to play against.
The Dolphins have all these young talented defensive lineman, and pass rushers at LB like Wake, Porter and Taylor, and they don't know how to use them.
The Dolphins defense this year is so easy to read for QB's and offensive lines. The Dolphins ranked 4th on defense in 2006 because Saban had those guys up front on defense shifting and moving around confusing offenses, getting them off their timing and rhythm.. Many times Saban would have two guys shooting through one gap, but instead this stupid Pasqualoni just goes man on man.
We have this schmuck pasqualoni who doesn't do any of that. That's why we suck. It all starts up front.. He has no imagination or defensive creativity at all when it comes to setting up and offensive line for the pass rush on a play-to-play basis.
Rex Ryan gets it.
Watch the Steelers and watch Rex Ryan's Jets against Brady on Sunday. They were shifting and moving defensive linemen and linebackers before the snap all game long.. They did a lot of overloads to one side, a lot of stunting and crosses with their defensive linemen, then shooting someone through the cross (X).. They also did a lot of zone blitzes confusing Brady and their offensive line.
The Dolphins don't do any of that. They show their hand way before the snap and never check out of it. They do nothing to confuse the QB or the O-Line.
A prime example of that is the last TD pass to Garcon for 48 yards. The Dolphins loaded the line showing blitz with a bunch of people. Manning easily audibled for a quick screen pass to beat the blitz.. Their O-Linemen went downfield to block becuase there is no use staying on their blocks with a quick pass, and those O-Linemen went to block our safeties so GArcon can easily score a TD.
If we had some inagination and disguising, like running a zone blitz on that play after Manning audibles for the quick pass, maybe you drop back a couple people from the line and get in the way of that pass. At the very least if you dropped back a couple it would get in the way of their O-Linemen going downfield, allowing others to make the tackle for a minimal gain (because they wouldn't have been blocked).
Throughout the entire game the Dolphins showed their hand on the defensive front. Manning and their O-Line knew what was coming on every play. The Dolphins make is very easy for offenses to game plan against us because there is no imagination or creativity on defense at all.
Watch what we did to Brady and the Pats when we shut them out 21-0 in 2006.. We were moving JT all around right before the snap-- he was sometimes on the left, up the middle, sometimes on the right side, confusing Brady and their offensive line. We had linemen moving all around right before the snap, as well as linebackers.. Just like the Jets did to Brady on Sunday.
The Dolphins do none of that. That is the problem.
In this league where everyone copies one another, it's a joke that we don't watch film of other 3-4 defenses like the ravens and steelers last year (and jets this year), who do a lot of disguising and looping, crosses with their d-linemen, and have a lot of movement before the snap to confuse offenses and get them off their timing and rhythm.
We should have Wake activated and keep his explosive first step on the outside. This makes an olineman shoot out and creates a big gap from center to outside of the guard. We should be moving around Porter and taylor all over the place right before the snap, and shooting those gaps.. That's why Justin Smiley looked so horrible against Atlanta, because Abraham's speed made Long switch out, giving a huge area for Smiley to cover.. The Falcons were smart as they used their other d-tackle to slant to the opposite side of the center, leaving Smiley in no man's land.
That's confusion.. The Dolphins do no slanting, no looping, no double shooting, no setups to create a hole on an offensive line to shoot through.. All they do is go man-on-man, and that makes it so easy for offensive lines to read, and makes it very easy to play against.
The Dolphins have all these young talented defensive lineman, and pass rushers at LB like Wake, Porter and Taylor, and they don't know how to use them.
The Dolphins defense this year is so easy to read for QB's and offensive lines. The Dolphins ranked 4th on defense in 2006 because Saban had those guys up front on defense shifting and moving around confusing offenses, getting them off their timing and rhythm.. Many times Saban would have two guys shooting through one gap, but instead this stupid Pasqualoni just goes man on man.
We have this schmuck pasqualoni who doesn't do any of that. That's why we suck. It all starts up front.. He has no imagination or defensive creativity at all when it comes to setting up and offensive line for the pass rush on a play-to-play basis.
Rex Ryan gets it.
PerfectFinz72
Pro Bowler
Lets see they adjust this week. Hopefully they do or this is a guaranteed loss.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt though this past week. I mean..we did face Peyton Manning. Possibly the best QB in the game today and an all-time great in the league. Very few teams ever shut him down.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt though this past week. I mean..we did face Peyton Manning. Possibly the best QB in the game today and an all-time great in the league. Very few teams ever shut him down.
MiamiSportsGen
Keeping the Fan Faith Alive
Kudos on your post there. I agree with most of it.
We should be taking something from Rex Ryan, whether you love him or hate him. He has known the formula for defensive success since he joined Baltimore.
It was a bold move to blitz Brady late in the game, but it worked and he was consistent all game. Pressure on the QB from the first snap to the last. That's how the Steelers force turnovers and build great defenses.
It's time for use to get more aggressive. Before we do that though, our secondary needs to buckle up, make some tackles and cover the front line's back.
BGtoKNfor6
Where is the reset button?
I have said this all along. I have NO clue why we didn't get to manning more. We showed our hand before the snap and there isn't a better qb in the league to recognize coverages than manning and he ate us alive. The only way to beat manning was like Marino, you have to get pressure on him and force him to throw the ball early. If you let him dictate when he is going to throw the ball...he is going to win the majority of times. If anything sparano should have watched film from the only team that really gives the colts fits...the Jaguars. Why? Because they know how to play manning.
I don't get the dolphins. We have joey porter and jason taylor, both of which are not stupid. However, I do question their ability to be a leader. Crowder is only good when given a remedial task and surrounded by guys who can cover his mistakes. Leave crowder out on an island and he is backup material. We witnessed that monday night.
This week will be no different. Just different helmets to line up against. While as a dolphins fan, I hope they win, I just don't see it happening unless rivers slips in his shower before the game and hurts himself. I am a realist and miami has shown me nothing of progression this year but rather some pretty bad regression. However I guess when you change 3/4 of your secondary from last year, that is going to be expected when you consider how tough our schedule is on paper.
It will be interesting but the guys better get it together before Ross is looking at another half empty stadium routinely for home games and honestly I don't blame us dolphins fans, especially the 20+ year guys. Anyone that has jumped on the dolphins bus since the late 90's or later have no clue what it has been like....
BGtoKNfor6
Where is the reset button?
I'm done giving them the benefit of the doubt. While manning is a sure HOF'er and arguably one of the best in the game, we beat ourselves. We had questionable play calling and a defense that didn't seem like they were prepared for anything. It isn't like the colts offense hasn't changed....err well they don't run the ball very well anymore and one of their perennially dominant wideouts is no longer with the team.
If this was week one, I would say "eh the defense needs to catch up", however it was the same song and dance on pass coverages, especially with the tight end that we saw in ATL...only worse.
I am really trying hard to get some kind of good out of these first two games. I thought we had a good thing in the defense in ATL...boy was I wrong. The only good thing I saw this week was the establishment of a ground game, however we are talking about a bob sanders less colts and a defense that is really bad. The next few weeks will tell us what we need to know. We should be able to run the ball against SD as their top D-lineman is out for the season. God knows we will need it because this is going to be a 30-30+ shoot out if our defense cannot learn to do what it needs to.
We have more pass rushers than the Jets with Calvin Pace out, yet Ryan gets so much more out of his defensive front with all their pre snap shifting and movements. Along with setting up offensive lines to create holes for people to shoot through the QB. They do so much to thwart off an offensive line with their disguises and overloads, shifting, slanting, looping, stunts etc etc etc.
They shut down the #3 offense from last year and destroyed the Texans offensive line in week one. And then look what they did to the Pats.. What's frustrating is that there is no reason why we can't do the same with our young talent on the D-Line, and all our pass rushers at OLB.
We don't move around anyone. We do nothing to confuse or thwart an offensive line.. Opposing offensive lines know what's coming, and who's coming from where, on every snap.
It's like showing your hand when you play poker. You will lose every time.... The Dolphins always show their hand.
Rex Ryan knows how to play Poker. So does Dick LeBeau of the Steelers... Because showing your hand before every play is stupid.
You all may hate Nick Saban, but he is a good poker player too, and knows how to run a defense putting people in places to succeed. Remember in 2006 how much movement we had on our defensive front ? We had so many stunts going on up there. That's why we ranked 4th on defense that year, and led the league in sacks.
They shut down the #3 offense from last year and destroyed the Texans offensive line in week one. And then look what they did to the Pats.. What's frustrating is that there is no reason why we can't do the same with our young talent on the D-Line, and all our pass rushers at OLB.
We don't move around anyone. We do nothing to confuse or thwart an offensive line.. Opposing offensive lines know what's coming, and who's coming from where, on every snap.
It's like showing your hand when you play poker. You will lose every time.... The Dolphins always show their hand.
Rex Ryan knows how to play Poker. So does Dick LeBeau of the Steelers... Because showing your hand before every play is stupid.
You all may hate Nick Saban, but he is a good poker player too, and knows how to run a defense putting people in places to succeed. Remember in 2006 how much movement we had on our defensive front ? We had so many stunts going on up there. That's why we ranked 4th on defense that year, and led the league in sacks.
BGtoKNfor6
Where is the reset button?
For some reason I get this feeling that the phins coaching staff is babying our defense. I mean we were 1-15 two years ago and that translates into the fact that we cannot digest a sound defensive scheme. Therefore, we line our guys up trying not to get beat instead of trying to win.
I mean against the colts, why weren't we jamming the crap out of clark with a d-lineman when he was trying to get off of the line? Is that too difficult?
I guess we have to wait and see what is going to happen but I fully expect chambers and jackson to have breakout games and gates is going to destroy us, especially in zone coverage. If I had gates on my fantasy team, I wouldn't hesitate to start him...
I had to deal with him while he was at SU.. He tore that program apart wich is why they suck now.. Pasqualoni is a horrible coach.. He should be a positional coach, not a coordinator. The words.. miami and pressure are two words that are never in the same sentence
amir7
Seasoned Veteran
spot on man, if i'm sitting here on my couch watching the game, and I know what the defense is doing on the upcoming play, WTF do you think Peyton is seeing.
we run such a simple and vanilla defense its embarrassing, if things dont change soon were gonna have trouble with pass defending, and creating turnovers
fishypete
FinHeaven Elite
I disagree...what happened last Monday will happen again against Rivers if the Dolphins go all out to get him. Rivers has far more weapons than Manning did...you just can't rush the heck out of Rivers and forget the weapons...you have to bump and re-route those weapons...and that will give the Dline the time it needs to get to Rivers. If an unknown receiver from an unknown school can get a TD on a receiver screen...what will a player like Sproles do to them?
Play smart for a change. Rush your normal players and attack the weapons.
Play smart for a change. Rush your normal players and attack the weapons.
That's because they audibled to the screen after the Dolphins showed their hand.. Read my posts in this thread about disguising. And the rest.
If the Dolphins don't show their hand so early, that screen never gets called. Period.
The Dolphins make it incredibly easy on a QB because they show their hand every time well before the snap.. It's just like you playing poker and showing your hand to everyone. You will lose everytime against a smart QB like Manning, and a smart offensive line like the Colts have (Saturday is a great caller).
If you don't disguise your coverages and disguise your fronts against the Colts, you're dead. Like the Dolphins were dead on defense Monday night.
One of the great things about having a 3-4 defensive front is it allows you to disguise things so much better. And the Dolphins don't even use that big advantage. it's pathetic.
fishypete
FinHeaven Elite
I agree...but it doesn't matter...the Dolphins didn't get close enough to Manning to make him sweat....and as I wrote...Rivers has far more weapons to choose from. If you can't get to the head...you have to cut off the hands.
Sure he does. But you will make it a lot easier for him if we don't disguise anything. If we play vanilla D like we did up front against the Colts, we will get killed.
Again, one of the great benefits of have a 3-4 defensive front is it allows you do disguise better, and run more variations up front. The Dolphins don't do that, making it very easy for QB's and offensive lines to play us.
They do nothing to disrupt an offense's timing and rhythm. No zone blitzes, no slanting, no looping, no nothing. Watch the Steelers front, and the Jets front, look at all the stuff they do pre and post snap, then come back to me.
Again, one of the great benefits of have a 3-4 defensive front is it allows you do disguise better, and run more variations up front. The Dolphins don't do that, making it very easy for QB's and offensive lines to play us.
They do nothing to disrupt an offense's timing and rhythm. No zone blitzes, no slanting, no looping, no nothing. Watch the Steelers front, and the Jets front, look at all the stuff they do pre and post snap, then come back to me.