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[h=2]Offensive lineman Jason Fox was jettison before the start of last season however a few players on the same line grading near Fox had stayed on only to cost the Miami Dolphins a game as well as their jobs when they had to start.[/h][FONT=&quot]Coach Adam Gase fired Dallas Thomas and Billy Turner after the Tennessee Titans at Miami Dolphins – October 9th, 2016 game. The line gave up six sacks and the penalty yards were twice that of the Titans as well as having a 13 minute time of possession deficit which works out to a total of 44 total game snaps for the offense to 77 on defense. They lost 23-8.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The early warning signs were there, Pro Football Focus had graded Thomas and Turner at or near the bottom of the league for the whole season prior to the one they got axed thanks in part to Laremy Tunsil slipping in the shower.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Those same early warning signs are here again from Pro Football Focus grades on the season with Jermon Bushrod being dead last in the league and Branden Albert also grading very poorly for the Dolphins. These two are both 32 years of age and are seasoned veterans. Albert had injuries holding him back and Bushrod had played out of his natural position guard/tackle.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Should the Dolphins heed this early warning?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]If last season is any indication the answer should be yes. Looking at all the outliers the answer should still be yes. With the main one being availability in the case of Albert. While Bushrod did play every game he also graded the worse in the league playing out of position.

More at LINK: http://phinphanatic.com/2017/01/16/miami-dolphins-player-analytics/

Your thoughts? :ponder:[/FONT]
 
I'm confused. Is this suggesting PFF is the king of analytics and that the Dolphins should listen to them? I wouldn't trust PFF as my analytics source
 
I didn't need PFF to know how ****y Thomas and Turner were. Hell for awhile I thought they had comprising photos on Ross and Aponte plowing each other in the equipment room.

Albert is long in the tooth and Fox (edit I said Fox I meant Bushrod) can go or stay and it won't matter.
 
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[h=2]Offensive lineman Jason Fox was jettison before the start of last season however a few players on the same line grading near Fox had stayed on only to cost the Miami Dolphins a game as well as their jobs when they had to start.[/h][FONT="]Coach [B]Adam Gase[/B] fired [B]Dallas Thomas[/B] and [B]Billy Turner[/B] after the Tennessee Titans at Miami Dolphins – October 9th, 2016 game. The line gave up [B]six[/B] sacks and the penalty yards were twice that of the Titans as well as having a 13 minute time of possession deficit which works out to a total of 44 total game snaps for the offense to 77 on defense. They lost 23-8.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#333333][FONT="]The early warning signs were there, Pro Football Focus had graded Thomas and Turner at or near the bottom of the league for the whole season prior to the one they got axed thanks in part to Laremy Tunsil slipping in the shower.[/FONT]

[FONT="]Those same early warning signs are here again from Pro Football Focus grades on the season with [B]Jermon Bushrod[/B] being dead last in the league and [B]Branden Albert[/B] also grading very poorly for the Dolphins. These two are [B]both 32 years of age[/B] and are seasoned veterans. Albert had injuries holding him back and Bushrod had played out of his natural position guard/tackle.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#333333][FONT="]Should the Dolphins heed this early warning?[/FONT]

[FONT="]If last season is any indication the answer should be yes. Looking at all the outliers the answer should still be yes. With the main one being availability in the case of Albert. While Bushrod did play every game he also graded the worse in the league playing out of position.

More at LINK: http://phinphanatic.com/2017/01/16/miami-dolphins-player-analytics/

Your thoughts? :ponder:[/FONT]
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I don't really agree with the article. I think PFF misses a lot on OL play. Albert didn't give up many sacks in 2016, but when he was off, it was catastrophic.
 
Dolphins should flat out ignore PFF. If not we're in deep ****.

Doesn't take analytics to know Bushrod played poorly, either.
 
Perfect72 said:
[h=2]Offensive lineman Jason Fox was jettison before the start of last season however a few players on the same line grading near Fox had stayed on only to cost the Miami Dolphins a game as well as their jobs when they had to start.[/h][FONT="]Coach [B]Adam Gase[/B] fired [B]Dallas Thomas[/B] and [B]Billy Turner[/B] after the Tennessee Titans at Miami Dolphins – October 9th, 2016 game. The line gave up [B]six[/B] sacks and the penalty yards were twice that of the Titans as well as having a 13 minute time of possession deficit which works out to a total of 44 total game snaps for the offense to 77 on defense. [B]They lost 23-8.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#333333][FONT="]The early warning signs were there, Pro Football Focus had graded Thomas and Turner at or near the bottom of the league for the whole season prior to the one they got axed thanks in part to Laremy Tunsil slipping in the shower.[/FONT]

[FONT="]Those same early warning signs are here again from Pro Football Focus grades on the season with [B]Jermon Bushrod[/B] being dead last in the league and [B]Branden Albert[/B] also grading very poorly for the Dolphins. These two are [B]both 32 years of age[/B] and are seasoned veterans. Albert had injuries holding him back and Bushrod had played out of his natural position guard/tackle.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=#333333][FONT="]Should the Dolphins heed this early warning?[/FONT]

[FONT="]If last season is any indication the answer should be yes. Looking at all the outliers the answer should still be yes. With the main one being availability in the case of Albert. While Bushrod did play every game he also graded the worse in the league playing out of position.

More at LINK: http://phinphanatic.com/2017/01/16/miami-dolphins-player-analytics/

Your thoughts? :ponder:[/FONT]
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They lost 30 to 17 to Tennessee. At least get the damn score right if you want people to take your article seriously.
 
Albert had a wrist dislocation the 2nd half of the season and wasn't 100%. When healthy he's an above average LT. Problem is that he is rarely 100% healthy.
 
i think albert's health and cost make him expendable.

i understand it would weaken our line and depth from a roster standpoint...but we have an eventual (hopefully) all pro LT waiting in the wings....

one of my biggest gripes with our line has been the turnstile culture....every week a different lineup. i don't think it's worth leaning on injury prone players...especially when their cost is top shelf. we already have pouncey sucking up cap space, and he ain't going anywhere this year. put tunsil at lt, do our best with the guard play, and try and garnish some consistency in the starting 5 up front. will save headaches and cap dollars, and I think the upgrade we'd get from Tunsil going LT would be noticeable.
 
Anyone with half a brain should know that our o-line will never be great unless we get two real guards and stop counting on injury prone players but for some reason our FO keeps ignoring that fact.

Ozzy rules!!
 
nick1 said:
I'm confused. Is this suggesting PFF is the king of analytics and that the Dolphins should listen to them? I wouldn't trust PFF as my analytics source
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I'm franklly not convinced PFF should even be considered analytics. They're more like a subjective scouting service with a numerical scale.
 
where's th'fish said:
I'm franklly not convinced PFF should even be considered analytics. They're more like a subjective scouting service with a numerical scale.
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I'm not a fan of PFF, but it has it's value. I've never seen a player given poor stats BY ANYONE considered good. I've never seen a player given top stats BY ANYONE considered bad. Stats just put numbers to performance. I've never seen a player rated low by PFF make the Pro Bowl nor have I seen a top rated player by PFF considered poor by everyone else. We can argue whether player x should be rated 10th of 64 or 18th of 64, but the idea PFF's top rated player at a position is bottom quintile doesn't happen. All that said, PFF is one of a number of ratings groups/individuals and should be considered no better nor worse than the others. All I want are players rated well by consensus. We know how it works out when a player is rated highly by one person (insert Ireland's picture). As for analytics in general, I know of no system that ranks performance with an adjustment for injury (wrist), thus, we have debates about a player based on injury more than talent. Gase/CC will have to make that call on Albert. Bushrod, IMO, was seen as a 1yr place-holder.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I'm not a fan of PFF, but it has it's value. I've never seen a player given poor stats BY ANYONE considered good. I've never seen a player given top stats BY ANYONE considered bad. Stats just put numbers to performance. I've never seen a player rated low by PFF make the Pro Bowl nor have I seen a top rated player by PFF considered poor by everyone else. We can argue whether player x should be rated 10th of 64 or 18th of 64, but the idea PFF's top rated player at a position is bottom quintile doesn't happen. All that said, PFF is one of a number of ratings groups/individuals and should be considered no better nor worse than the others. All I want are players rated well by consensus. We know how it works out when a player is rated highly by one person (insert Ireland's picture). As for analytics in general, I know of no system that ranks performance with an adjustment for injury (wrist), thus, we have debates about a player based on injury more than talent. Gase/CC will have to make that call on Albert. Bushrod, IMO, was seen as a 1yr place-holder.
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http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?377796-Pro-Football-Focus&highlight=
 
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