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I can't get over the drastic improvements Anthony Armstrong's made in 2009. He wasn't far from Davone Bessexiting training camp last season, when both were rookie free agent signees shooting to make the team. Bess got the ticket to the big leagues and was one of the NFL's top performing rookie receivers. During this summer Armstrong's taken his game to another level, and presently looks as good as Bess, if not better in the action I saw, so I'm wondering what that means.

I know Vontae Davis is the Dolphins first-round pick, but I can't get over how fellow rookie Sean Smithis the size of 4-3 linebacker, but moves like a cornerback. Good hips, better than decent speed. If he learns quickly, has ball skills, and can tackle (three aspects of his game yet to be determined) the Dolphins might be looking at a rookie stud.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2009/06/stock-report-dolphins-offseason.html
 
Regarding Pat White – other than having sweaty hands, I’m not sure why the staff has made him take off the gloves? It seems obvious the lack of gloves are bothering his throws, the only question is to what degree?

He was impressive at the combine accuracy wise – and of course in every other venue, but ALWAYS with gloves. Maybe someone else has the great insight into why Sparano and Co. want the gloves off. Does the kid have really nice nails or something?
 
Regarding Pat White – other than having sweaty hands, I’m not sure why the staff has made him take off the gloves? It seems obvious the lack of gloves are bothering his throws, the only question is to what degree?

He was impressive at the combine accuracy wise – and of course in every other venue, but ALWAYS with gloves. Maybe someone else has the great insight into why Sparano and Co. want the gloves off. Does the kid have really nice nails or something?
Maybe the SF Humidity and gloves doesnt mix well for throwing purposes.
Pure speculation on my part as I am not 100% sure myself.

Chubbs
 
Regarding Pat White – other than having sweaty hands, I’m not sure why the staff has made him take off the gloves? It seems obvious the lack of gloves are bothering his throws, the only question is to what degree?

He was impressive at the combine accuracy wise – and of course in every other venue, but ALWAYS with gloves. Maybe someone else has the great insight into why Sparano and Co. want the gloves off. Does the kid have really nice nails or something?

The thing I note is Pat White says that he only wore the gloves the second half of his senior season...so he's not as use to the gloves as some think.
 
They have nothing to lose right now, so why not try and get him playing without the gloves...
 
OK, thanks for the info. It just seems odd his accuracy has just suddenly tanked. The other aspect (perhaps far more telling) is the staff is reportedly working on his mechanics. Anyone got any further insight on that?
 
Regarding Pat White – other than having sweaty hands, I’m not sure why the staff has made him take off the gloves? It seems obvious the lack of gloves are bothering his throws, the only question is to what degree?

He was impressive at the combine accuracy wise – and of course in every other venue, but ALWAYS with gloves. Maybe someone else has the great insight into why Sparano and Co. want the gloves off. Does the kid have really nice nails or something?

White mentioned in an article the other day that he had, in fact, played most of his time at WV without the gloves. He only began to wear them, i think he said, during his senior year. So he has played without gloves before and i am pretty sure the lack of gloves is NOT his problem so far. If the gloves get damp or wet they can cause him to lose grip on the ball....this was all covered recently in an article- here is the lnk

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport.../miami-dolphins-pat-white-and-his-gloves.html:hi5:
 
OK, thanks for the info. It just seems odd his accuracy has just suddenly tanked. The other aspect (perhaps far more telling) is the staff is reportedly working on his mechanics. Anyone got any further insight on that?

Sparano, in a separate article mentioned that White had an accuracy of around the mid sixty percent, so that is pretty good. The public does not get to see all of the passing he does so i think we just see a small part and run with the story. Let me direct you, my friend to www.phins.com
This is where i found a lot of this information you are seeking...
 
Most rookies need work on their mechanics. Mark Sanchez needs work on his mechanics, too. He's got a crouch and bend in his delivery that needs ironing out. Pat White is no different, he needs to work on consistency in his foot work and apparently his arm slot.

Hey, let's face it, he was a running QB in college. He was use to throwing the ball on the run, using his legs to pull defenders forward and then hitting them up with a good throw over top. That doesn't result in a guy having consistent mechanics because you end up throwing the ball from all different angles, from all different leverage, etc. It's something he is going to have to work on, getting those dropback pocket mechanics to be consistent. I think one important thing is he has the ability to use those perfect dropback pocket mechanics and he's shown that at the college level as well as in workouts at the Senior Bowl, Combine and Pro Day. So, there's hope that with time and repetitions, those perfect dropback mechanics won't be so hit or miss anymore or something he has to think about, it'll just come natural.

But keep a couple of things in mind:

1. He's not here to drop back in a normal pocket and deliver footballs. That's Pennington's job. And if Pennington gets hurt, it becomes Henne's job. If White still isn't far enough along with his dropback passing by 2010 to be trusted to be Henne's primary backup, they'll snag some pure dropback guy to be Henne's backup and if Henne went down it would be a shared job between the new guy and Pat White.

2. White's here to run the ball and to deliver the football on the run and from a moving pocket (ie. the WildPat). That's something he did exceedingly well in college. Maybe the best I've ever seen, over such a long period of time. Vince Young did it well, but really only for one year. Young had sub-60% completion and about as many TDs as INTs for his other two years. Pat White's been doing it well for literally three years, with over 65% completion in each of his last three seasons, and significantly more TDs than INTs in each of his last three seasons as well. All this is just to say, he's got a lot of experience in a spread-option type setting where he is asked to run around and find people sneaking out the back door to throw the ball to, and he's done it very well. I doubt the Dolphins are worried about that part of his game. The key is, it's not something you're going to see during OTAs and Mini Camps, because OTAs and Mini Camps are purely teaching environments where they are trying to teach Pat White more about doing the things he did NOT do so much at the college level. When we get into preseason games he'll continue to focus on dropback passing, but I suspect he'll also have the handcuffs off as far as his scrambling goes and I really suspect he will look better.

3. I have never spoken to one of the West Virginia coaches but it would not at all surprise me if this guy is not a great practice player. He has always seemed to 'turn it on' when the real bullets are firing at their hottest and heaviest. He's a gamer. No doubt about it. He's the only guy ever to win four bowl games as a starting QB. He got voted MVP of three of them, and then he went and won the Senior Bowl and got voted MVP (and team captain) of that game as well. I suspect he's never really going to look fantastic in practice, but that he'll be able to dial it up in the clutch. There is some room for that. Joey Harrington looked great in practice, always. His mechanics were fundamentally sound and deadly consistent, and his accuracy was fantastic. Get him into the game and he's Joey Checkdown, can't hit a moving target with good ball placement to save his life.
 
Sparano, in a separate article mentioned that White had an accuracy of around the mid sixty percent, so that is pretty good. The public does not get to see all of the passing he does so i think we just see a small part and run with the story. Let me direct you, my friend to www.phins.com
This is where i found a lot of this information you are seeking...

Said he'd completed 67 percent of his passes in the recent 3 practice sessions.

That sounds high, but I suspect that completion percentages during practice are naturally high, and even higher in padless practices.
 
Regarding Pat White – other than having sweaty hands, I’m not sure why the staff has made him take off the gloves? It seems obvious the lack of gloves are bothering his throws, the only question is to what degree?

He was impressive at the combine accuracy wise – and of course in every other venue, but ALWAYS with gloves. Maybe someone else has the great insight into why Sparano and Co. want the gloves off. Does the kid have really nice nails or something?

The first couple of practices he wore the gloves and he was making the overthrows then also. Don't get over concerned when a rookie QB comes in and makes bad throws. It is like a WR coming in and making too many drops. The accuracy is the last thing they are thinking about. He is trying to think of a million things at one time. It is brain overload and nothing is natural. Once he gets a better feel for the offense and the game starts to slow down his accuracy will also come back.

If he is still overthrowing WRs by the 2nd or 3rd PS game then I would say he probably won't see a lot of action early in the season. As for me I would a thousand times rather see him sailing some of his passes but throwing to the correct WR, rather than being accurate but throwing into double coverage and getting picks. Give him time, it will slow down for him.
 
Anthony Armstrong's progress is going to be one of my biggest training camp interest. I will be keeping an eye on Donald Thomas' injury, the progress of our rookie corners, but Armstrong I am really interested in watching. I was really excited about his potential during last year's preseason. I've been hearing some very good things about him this year, so I hope he can make the 53 man roster this time. Bad news will mean that leaves Brandon London looking from the outside-in, but that is a good problem to have.

Overall, this year's camp battles are going to be some of the best we've seen in years.
 
The first couple of practices he wore the gloves and he was making the overthrows then also. Don't get over concerned when a rookie QB comes in and makes bad throws. It is like a WR coming in and making too many drops. The accuracy is the last thing they are thinking about. He is trying to think of a million things at one time. It is brain overload and nothing is natural. Once he gets a better feel for the offense and the game starts to slow down his accuracy will also come back.

If he is still overthrowing WRs by the 2nd or 3rd PS game then I would say he probably won't see a lot of action early in the season. As for me I would a thousand times rather see him sailing some of his passes but throwing to the correct WR, rather than being accurate but throwing into double coverage and getting picks. Give him time, it will slow down for him.

I think I'm going to watch his accuracy on the run more than anything else, this preseason. He's not going to take Chad Henne's spot as the #2 QB. But, he will be asked to come in on packages and throw the ball on the run. So if he gets into preseason and he's dropping back into the pocket and still firing high, I'm not worrying because I expect him to start getting that cleaned up more in his second training camp than his first preseason. But, if he's scrambling and throwing high on the run or making stupid decisions on the run...that will effect 2009. They won't trust him to add an edge to the Wildcat if they can't trust that he's making safe decisions and being accurate on the run.
 
yeah, can he throw while running and can he absorb hits in the nfl without fumbling or getting hurt. we don't play uconn.
 
Well this is what I said when we drafted Pat – he’s a proven winner and big game performer – and more often than not was clearly the best player on the field. How his skill set translates in the NFL will have a lot to do with how he is utilized, and yes (I certainly hope) we’re going to play into his strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

As far as practice, it’s smart to always work on your weaknesses and bring your game up in the total sense. Maybe he isn’t the best practice player – but I think the kid has to be a huge competitor and therefore I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s an animal in practice as well. Regardless, he certainly wouldn’t be the first QB in the NFL who’s much better on the move than standing in the pocket.

Last, can you imagine how much “secret stuff” they’re working on with Pat and his package? It will be an absolute shock if we don’t spring some huge plays right out of the box with this kids talent IMO. With that in mind, I just get the feeling Atlanta will be wishing they hadn’t played us on opening day. In my wild football imagination, I see us potentially killing them from every direction; unleashing a far more aggressive attacking D (getting to the QB from many angles) and an offense that’s like playing 2 different teams at once!
 
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