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Expectations may be way to high, and not necessarily at fans fault

PerfectFinz72

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Let me first say I posted something similar to this either last night or this morning in another thread, but felt it was worth expanding on. Doesn't everyone feel like the media and some of the fanbase, not all, but some have set expecations too high? I certainly do and I am NOT a negative person, especially when it comes to posting on this board. But I knew this was coming anyway IF we were to start 0-2 or 1-3, not that its acceptable, but it certinaly could happen. And here we are.

Think about it, after the 6 game win streak to end last year combined with the Nick Saban era combined with the acquistion of Daunte, expectations shot thru the floor probably a year or two sooner than they should have. This team is still missing pieces, as you all know. The oline needs work whether it's jelling as a unit or picking up guys that aren't on this roster in the offseason. The secondary is kinda in the same boat...though I'm leaning towards there are some nice players, but no big time players which leaves the secondary average at best. I still think its gonna take time to get all the right players in here before we are a serious contender. Just my opinion, but an opinion nonetheless.

As soon as I saw/read analysts and fans saying we'd win 10-12 games, make the playoffs, possibly unseat the patriots as division champs and even make the Super Bowl, I seriously felt like this was a bad sign. And to a certain extent, I bought into the hype. How could you not if your a diehard as I am and many of you are as well. I still think this year can be decent despite the start and if we can win the next two games, 2-2 isn't bad thru 4 games. We may still make a playoff run this year, we may not. But one thing I know is, you can't give up on this team after two games just because you were expecting a Super Bowl or playoff run. I can site an example off Dolphins topic for you that would seem equally as frustrating...

One of my best friends is a life-long Bengals fan, and as most know...the Bengals were god awful thru the 90's and early 2000's. However, when Marvin Lewis arrived, many thought this was the turnaround they needed. He went 8-8 in his first year and instilled a brand new attitude in Cincy. Fans expectations including my friends, shot thru the floor his second year. They preceeded to go 8-8 again. I mean, that would seem like no progress to the average fan, but they were building something special thru his first day on the job thru that second off-season. Now look where they are. Granted, this doesn't mean the same will happen here, it just screams "patience" at the fanbase and media for this organization. Who knows, maybe Nick will flop and this will be a disaster, but why assume that if there are no playoffs his first two years or he starts 0-2 in his second season.

This team still needs to be built from the missing pieces I explained earlier to the backup TE to the long snapper to the 3rd string QB. Sure, on the surface this team looks decent, but there enough holes and lack of depth where I can definately see another 9-7 or even an 8-8 year. Would I be thrilled with it, certainly not. Would I want to see Saban fired, Daunte gone, Ronnie traded or replaced....hell no. I really, REALLY think we have a good thing down here (despite the 0-2 start) in general with Saban coaching this team. It's gonna take some time to get everyone on the same page, the right players in here and believing in one another. I don't think we're too far away from saying this team can be a serious contender......I just think expecations were set too high for everyone associated with the Dolphins from the second Daunte got here till the last snap of pre-season had completed. This is certainly not intended to be negative at all, its just reality. I still think this team can win 10 games this year, but it really depends on whether or not we get the next 2. Keep your heads up Dolphins fans, I think there are plenty of good things still to come this year and the future for that matter. Just trying to keep it real and positive as best I can. :wink:
 
I agree 100%. I also think that the players themselves bought into the hype and thought they were better than they actually are. Maybe the Bills game will be a wake up call and they'll start playing harder.
 
I agree with most of what you said, but there is one thing to keep in mind with your Bengals analogy. Carson Palmer spent the entire 2003 season on the sidelines, and became the starter in 2004 with no prior regular season experience. It's not very often that a team makes the play-offs when their quarterback begins the season with no prior regular season experience. Cincinnati knew it would take some lumps with an unproven quarterback, but they also knew in the long run it would benefit the team. The result, in 2005, was Palmer becoming one of the better quarterbacks in the league, and making the Pro Bowl (although his injury prevented him from playing) as the Bengals won the AFC North.

The big difference is that Culpepper is a proven NFL quarterback who has play-off and Pro Bowl experience. He wasn't brought in to take lumps and eventually grow into a great quarterback. He was brought in as an upgrade to the position, to elevate Miami into the play-offs. Now, that may not have been entirely realistic, seeing as how he was recovering from a major injury, but he's not young; he's 29 years old. He needs to improve his play very soon.....like against Tennessee on Sunday.
 
DolphinzD said:
I agree with most of what you said, but there is one thing to keep in mind with your Bengals analogy. Carson Palmer spent the entire 2003 season on the sidelines, and became the starter in 2004 with no prior regular season experience. It's not very often that a team makes the play-offs when their quarterback begins the season with no prior regular season experience. Cincinnati knew it would take some lumps with an unproven quarterback, but they also knew in the long run it would benefit the team. The result, in 2005, was Palmer becoming one of the better quarterbacks in the league, and making the Pro Bowl (although his injury prevented him from playing) as the Bengals won the AFC North.

The big difference is that Culpepper is a proven NFL quarterback who has play-off and Pro Bowl experience. He wasn't brought in to take lumps and eventually grow into a great quarterback. He was brought in as an upgrade to the position, to elevate Miami into the play-offs. Now, that may not have been entirely realistic, seeing as how he was recovering from a major injury, but he's not young; he's 29 years old. He needs to improve his play very soon.....like against Tennessee on Sunday.

I agree with your assessment as well....I guess I wasn't really trying to compare anything more than the final records after the season ended. Maybe just that they went 8-8 the first year and did the same the next. My point really is only to state that improvement year to year doesn't have to be not making the playoffs, making the playoffs but not making the super bowl and then making the playoffs making the super bowl. I mean, it would be nice if it worked like that, but it generally doesn't.
 
Personally, as far as expectations go, I'd EXPECT that getting sacked 5 times in 15 plays and almost getting shut out at home would be a bad, bad thing, unless your team was the Raiders. Unless the "expectations" for Miami were "get embarrased at your home opener", then there's definitely a good reason for complaint regardless of anything the media or fans came up with.
 
PhinsRock said:
Expectations were way too high for this team, right now we suck. 6-10 is far more likely than 10-6.

I don't know, I definately think we'll win at least 8 games. Based on last year (I'll do what I hate doing and go with an assumption) and think we'll be better the last 8 games versus the first 8. 8-8 and or 9-7 is most likely if we're talking about having success from here on out. Of course, anything below .500 would kinda suck.
 
One problem, your comparison to the Bengals, could not be more wrong. They have one of the best QBs in football, we have captain turnover.
 
FinFan84 said:
One problem, your comparison to the Bengals, could not be more wrong. They have one of the best QBs in football, we have captain turnover.

Again, as I said to another poster in this thread that responded, I'm not comparing QB's, I'm comparing situations with final regular season record where success one year (8-8) lead to high fan expectations. The next year they went 8-8 again. I guess I should have excluded that example from my original post, it wasn't intended to compare players on each team but to compare fan expectations and W/L results.
 
PerfectFinz72 said:
I agree with your assessment as well....I guess I wasn't really trying to compare anything more than the final records after the season ended. Maybe just that they went 8-8 the first year and did the same the next. My point really is only to state that improvement year to year doesn't have to be not making the playoffs, making the playoffs but not making the super bowl and then making the playoffs making the super bowl. I mean, it would be nice if it worked like that, but it generally doesn't.

Nobody cares about the Bengals here so the comparison is stupid. Sorry that i am being so blunt but it is true. The bottom line is that the Bengals were in need of more talent when M.Lewis arrived there than N.Saban when he got here, and if you put both those teams on paper and forget about the production on the field you would say that miami was the better team. Right know the Fins are underachieving, I'll go back to what you said about seeing inprovement, but what inprovements have you seen thus far. So far this team is worst than last year.
 
12MaN said:
Nobody cares about the Bengals here so the comparison is stupid. Sorry that i am being so blunt but it is true. The bottom line is that the Bengals were in need of more talent when M.Lewis arrived there than N.Saban when he got here, and if you put both those teams on paper and forget about the production on the field you would say that miami was the better team. Right know the Fins are underachieving, I'll go back to what you said about seeing inprovement, but what inprovements have you seen thus far. So far this team is worst than last year.


Thanks for attacking me and totally misunderstanding my point, appreciate it.

BTW, my point on improvement won't be felt until the end of this season.
 
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