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regardless of how the pre-season "competition" goes... unless of course Frerotte shows enough skills to be looked at as a legitimate pro-bowl contendor this year, and I think that is unlikely.

Hear me out...

Feeley, DEFINITELY has natural skill when it comes to throwing the ball. He throws accurately, has the strength to make any throw, and generally hits the receiver in stride when he has time to throw. His problems are mainly that he is young and inexperienced, and because of this hasn't learned the nuances of the game as far as reading defenses, looking off defenders, and maintaining his composure in the face of a pass rush.

These are all things that can be learned and most QB's develop these skills over time. I mean as much as Fiedler gets hate, no one can deny that he improved greatly in those categories (although he was never afraid of a pass rush) the longer he started here. His problem was he never had the arm to make all the throws, and I would argue with the injuries he sustained while he was here his arm got worse and worse. If you look at just about ANY rookie QB in the league (even Roethlisberger) none of them have these skills until they have started about 1.5-3 years worth of games. Look at Peyton Manning, if they had given up on him after his first full season, they would have missed out on one of the most Successful QB's in the league over the last few years, and he developed MUCH faster than most. Feeley doesn't have much more experience than a rookie does at this point in his career, so he should be looked at pretty much the same way... although with a bit shorter leash, because of age, and the situation the team is in with rebuilding.

We have invested a lot in Feeley, and I think we need to find out if that investment is worth it. Put him in, let him play at least half the season in the new offense, and see what he is made of. Even the most optimistic fans of the team don't expect much better than 8-8 out of the team (and that's a stretch), so why continue to hold back the development of a player we have invested a lot in, and get no closer to finding our long-term solution at the most important position on the team, by starting Gus, who will not likely be a long-term solution?

If Feeley makes it to the midpoint of the season, and hasn't shown any progress, and no signs that he is the answer... fine. Pull him, let Gus take over, and give some of the other players on the team a chance to finish with a bang and get some confidence leading into next season. Then, do everything we can to draft a top QB early next year, and let him play behind Gus and come along slowly.

We have too much invested in Feeley, to not give him the chance needed to show if he is worth it. Personally, I beleive it is unfair to expect Feeley, a guy with limited experience in a new system, to be able to WIN a competition against a Veteran, like Frerotte, who already knows the system. As long as he shows promise and some flashes, which I beleive he already has (See New England last year), I beleive he should be given the position and a chance to grow into the starter.
 
grooves12 said:
regardless of how the pre-season "competition" goes... unless of course Frerotte shows enough skills to be looked at as a legitimate pro-bowl contendor this year, and I think that is unlikely.

Hear me out...

Feeley, DEFINITELY has natural skill when it comes to throwing the ball. He throws accurately, has the strength to make any throw, and generally hits the receiver in stride when he has time to throw. His problems are mainly that he is young and inexperienced, and because of this hasn't learned the nuances of the game as far as reading defenses, looking off defenders, and maintaining his composure in the face of a pass rush.

These are all things that can be learned and most QB's develop these skills over time. I mean as much as Fiedler gets hate, no one can deny that he improved greatly in those categories (although he was never afraid of a pass rush) the longer he started here. His problem was he never had the arm to make all the throws, and I would argue with the injuries he sustained while he was here his arm got worse and worse. If you look at just about ANY rookie QB in the league (even Roethlisberger) none of them have these skills until they have started about 1.5-3 years worth of games. Look at Peyton Manning, if they had given up on him after his first full season, they would have missed out on one of the most Successful QB's in the league over the last few years, and he developed MUCH faster than most. Feeley doesn't have much more experience than a rookie does at this point in his career, so he should be looked at pretty much the same way... although with a bit shorter leash, because of age, and the situation the team is in with rebuilding.

We have invested a lot in Feeley, and I think we need to find out if that investment is worth it. Put him in, let him play at least half the season in the new offense, and see what he is made of. Even the most optimistic fans of the team don't expect much better than 8-8 out of the team (and that's a stretch), so why continue to hold back the development of a player we have invested a lot in, and get no closer to finding our long-term solution at the most important position on the team, by starting Gus, who will not likely be a long-term solution?

If Feeley makes it to the midpoint of the season, and hasn't shown any progress, and no signs that he is the answer... fine. Pull him, let Gus take over, and give some of the other players on the team a chance to finish with a bang and get some confidence leading into next season. Then, do everything we can to draft a top QB early next year, and let him play behind Gus and come along slowly.

We have too much invested in Feeley, to not give him the chance needed to show if he is worth it. Personally, I beleive it is unfair to expect Feeley, a guy with limited experience in a new system, to be able to WIN a competition against a Veteran, like Frerotte, who already knows the system. As long as he shows promise and some flashes, which I beleive he already has (See New England last year), I beleive he should be given the position and a chance to grow into the starter.


I've heard this before. NOONE should be given a job at any position unless it is flat out won. If Gus plays better, he should start. It doesn't matter what is invested in Feeley, if he doesn't win the job outright then he shouldn't have it handed to him. There are many players around the league that were first and second round picks that are bench warmers and have become CAREER bench warmers. What what gave for him means little to Saban because he wasn't here when it happened. He has no ties to Feeley.
I do understand why you you're saying what you're saying. I just disagree. But I'm sure some people will agree with you whole-heartedly.
 
Feeley has definitely shown flashes of brilliance last year.

I hope people don't bash you for posting your opinion especially when you backed it up fairly well. Albeit the Qb debate has been beaten to death lately.

But I do disagree with the pulling him halway through the season, I think last year we swapped around too much w/ Fieldler and Feeley and I don't like that approach. But, I can understand if he's doing horrible you have to pull him. But yet again teams who do a QB shuffle usually don't do great such as the Giants, Redskins, and Us. I'd prefer one QB to step up and we can ride him through the whole season, and if he takes us to mediocrity, then we draft a potential future starter next year.
 
grooves12 said:
regardless of how the pre-season "competition" goes... unless of course Frerotte shows enough skills to be looked at as a legitimate pro-bowl contendor this year, and I think that is unlikely.

Hear me out...

Feeley, DEFINITELY has natural skill when it comes to throwing the ball. He throws accurately, has the strength to make any throw, and generally hits the receiver in stride when he has time to throw. His problems are mainly that he is young and inexperienced, and because of this hasn't learned the nuances of the game as far as reading defenses, looking off defenders, and maintaining his composure in the face of a pass rush.

These are all things that can be learned and most QB's develop these skills over time. I mean as much as Fiedler gets hate, no one can deny that he improved greatly in those categories (although he was never afraid of a pass rush) the longer he started here. His problem was he never had the arm to make all the throws, and I would argue with the injuries he sustained while he was here his arm got worse and worse. If you look at just about ANY rookie QB in the league (even Roethlisberger) none of them have these skills until they have started about 1.5-3 years worth of games. Look at Peyton Manning, if they had given up on him after his first full season, they would have missed out on one of the most Successful QB's in the league over the last few years, and he developed MUCH faster than most. Feeley doesn't have much more experience than a rookie does at this point in his career, so he should be looked at pretty much the same way... although with a bit shorter leash, because of age, and the situation the team is in with rebuilding.

We have invested a lot in Feeley, and I think we need to find out if that investment is worth it. Put him in, let him play at least half the season in the new offense, and see what he is made of. Even the most optimistic fans of the team don't expect much better than 8-8 out of the team (and that's a stretch), so why continue to hold back the development of a player we have invested a lot in, and get no closer to finding our long-term solution at the most important position on the team, by starting Gus, who will not likely be a long-term solution?

If Feeley makes it to the midpoint of the season, and hasn't shown any progress, and no signs that he is the answer... fine. Pull him, let Gus take over, and give some of the other players on the team a chance to finish with a bang and get some confidence leading into next season. Then, do everything we can to draft a top QB early next year, and let him play behind Gus and come along slowly.

We have too much invested in Feeley, to not give him the chance needed to show if he is worth it. Personally, I beleive it is unfair to expect Feeley, a guy with limited experience in a new system, to be able to WIN a competition against a Veteran, like Frerotte, who already knows the system. As long as he shows promise and some flashes, which I beleive he already has (See New England last year), I beleive he should be given the position and a chance to grow into the starter.

Kind of how Wanny was given his job w/o earning it!!!!!!

Great idea!!!!

Brilliant!!!!!!
 
PHINZONER said:
Kind of how Wanny was given his job w/o earning it!!!!!!

Great idea!!!!

Brilliant!!!!!!

ZING!:rofl3:

I just wasnt the best man 2 win regardless if its AJ, or Gus.
 
SCall13 said:
I've heard this before. NOONE should be given a job at any position unless it is flat out won. If Gus plays better, he should start. It doesn't matter what is invested in Feeley, if he doesn't win the job outright then he shouldn't have it handed to him. There are many players around the league that were first and second round picks that are bench warmers and have become CAREER bench warmers. What what gave for him means little to Saban because he wasn't here when it happened. He has no ties to Feeley.
I do understand why you you're saying what you're saying. I just disagree. But I'm sure some people will agree with you whole-heartedly.

I am with you here. Does anyone truly believe that we won't see both of them? Hell, Feeley aready has a bum bum.
 
cnc66 said:
I am with you here. Does anyone truly believe that we won't see both of them? Hell, Feeley aready has a bum bum.

Well at least we didn't have to see him wince, this time, since no one smacked him on the bum as he was leaving the field. :tongue:
 
AJ hasnt had a good season or played a full season since he was in high school
 
You make excellent points, and I agree with some. Here is my take on the QB debacle:
Saban, as you are well aware, has said in many occasions that he wants to win now. He has brought a lot of veterans with one year contracts because he wants to win now. He will play (and he has said this before) whoever gives him the greater chance at winning. If it will be Frerrotte, then im sure we will be looking to draft a QB next year. a rook QB who will learn from Lineman and Frerrotte.
 
The thing is, we can piss at each other all we want, the final decision is Saban's to make, and I highly doubt he reads these forums.
 
Even Frerotte isn't a "great" NFL starting Qb.

Guys the last time Frerotte started 16 Games was 1996 he was a bench warmer almost the last 10 years !!!
 
If QB's had to "flat out win the job" then a lot of young QB"s with talent would never get on the field. There are times where coaches have to play the younger guy with potential instead of a veteran who make look more comfortable, but has been in the league long enough to show that he is only mediocre. Frerotte in some ways was comparable to Kelly Holcombe in Cleveland a few years ago, who won the QB battle with Tim Couch and yet only aspired to play mediocre ball. That's probably a horrible example cause Tim Couch sucked, but you have to go with young guys with potential unless the veteran is incredible. Another example would be in SD, where Flutie was obviously the more crafty and comfortable QB, yet when he was given a chance to start played like........Doug Flutie. It took a while for Brees, but the young guy had to get a chance to develop.
 
If Feeley was handed the job, shouldn't Eddie Moore also be handed a starting LB job?
 
djfresh47 said:
If Feeley was handed the job, shouldn't Eddie Moore also be handed a starting LB job?

The difference is Eddie Moore has good players ahead of him. LB is not the the same as QB and doesn't take the amount of time to develop. If Moore could ever stay on the field then we would see what he could do. As of right now he hasn't shown anything, while Feely has at least shown some type of potential.
 
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