Indeed, and the point was when he had a relatively healthy O-line, (which isn’t even technically accurate as one starter went out before the season even started)......he played at a pretty good level for a rookie starting his first game or two... it was after when his O-line was a disaster... his OC was replaced by a rookie OC...that everything went south.To be fair, the OP was referencing his first game only.
Bob Griese was a phenomenal player, the best quarterback the Dolphins have ever had.You might want to check Bobbys stats.
His completion %?
His attemps per yr?
Yds per att?
He wasn't that good.
Would not be in the HOF, if he played today.
Sorry, not meant as an insult, but your opinion is biased.
6-0 to start the season before he got hurt... was brought back in the 2nd half of the AFC championship game... at the Pittsburgh Steelers... where we were losing.... and led the comeback win....completed 73% of his passes in Super Bowl 7.... the perfect season doesn’t happen without Bob Griese.Griese was my childhood hero, but he didn't lead them to a 17-0 record.
I'm not bashing Griese, he truly was my childhood hero. I was dealing in facts and you are dealing in pure speculation Miami wouldn't have gone 17-0 without him.6-0 to start the season before he got hurt... was brought back in the 2nd half of the AFC championship game... at the Pittsburgh Steelers... where we were losing.... and led the comeback win....completed 73% of his passes in Super Bowl 7.... the perfect season doesn’t happen without Bob Griese.
I stand corrected on the start... I was thinking it was a bit later by memory... but Shula replaced Morrall in the AFC championship game because a Morrall wasn’t getting it done and they were down 10-7 when Griese came in and led them to two touchdowns in the second half.I'm not bashing Griese, he truly was my childhood hero. I was dealing in facts and you are dealing in pure speculation Miami wouldn't have gone 17-0 without him.
The Dolphins started out the season 4-0 under Griese and Bob was actually hurt early in the 5th game. Earl Morrall led Miami to victory that day throwing 2 TD passes against SD. And seeing how Miami's defense only gave up 10, 13, 14 and 17 points the first 4 games there is a very real possibility Miami goes undefeated without Griese all other things being equal. Miami scored 20+ on Morrall's the 12 games he played the majority (including playoffs) with the exception of the final regular season game (16-0 win over Colts). Whereas 2 out of the 5 games when Griese played the majority of the game the Dolphins scored less than 20 points (16 vs. Minn and 14 vs. Redskins).
LOL, you made the second half comeback against Pittsburgh sound dramatic, but it wasn't that dramatic. Griese started the second half after the game was tied at halftime 7-7 and the Steelers took a 10-7 lead to start the 3rd quarter. Griese hit Warfield on a slant (a beautiful pass into traffic) who then had 40+ in RAC for a 52 yard completion. The rest of the game Griese completed 2 more passes for 18 yards. That game was won like the Dolphins won nearly all their games that year, rushing the ball and unbelievable defense under Bill Arnsparger.
And I am very confident Miami beats the Redskins regardless of who is QB all other things being equal, other than Garo Yepremian whose interception not only led to the only score the Redskins had but if I recall correctly would be the only time the Redskins had the ball on Miami's side of the 50 yard line. Greise also only threw for only 88 yards, one TD and one interception to go with that 73% completion.
BTW the Dolphins had three second half comebacks under Morrall that year including the week before in Cleveland in the 4th quarter. And Earl was 1st team AP All Pro that year. Morrall had a 91 QB rating compared to Griese having a 71.6 QB rating in 1972.
Again not knocking Griese and he truly was my childhood hero. He was a part of the story but to say Miami doesn't go undefeated is pure speculation on your part as they went 12-0 under Morrall and the Dolphins defense gave up only 10, 13, 14, 17 and 7 points in games under Griese. Or to claim that Griese led Miami to a 17-0 season as the person I originally responded to had stated is an argument against reality and an argument against reality loses 100% of the time.
Bottom line the Dolphins under Shula and defense under Arnsparger were truly a great "team" whether Griese or Morrall were the QB.
Do you believe he would be HOF caliber if he played today?I stand corrected on the start... I was thinking it was a bit later by memory... but Shula replaced Morrall in the AFC championship game because a Morrall wasn’t getting it done and they were down 10-7 when Griese came in and led them to two touchdowns in the second half.
Griese was a hall of famer.... Morrall was not.
It sounds like Casserly was responding to the propaganda and not vetting it... I say that because Rosen’s teammates have debunked those myths....and Casserly previously praised Rosen in scouting reports.39. that's true and most of the talking heads on ESPN are not worth listening to. There's better coverage online and in podcasts. Casserly was an actual GM so I mentioned what I heard him say. It's certainly not the gospel. I probably want it to be true!