Fins draft one of 2 AFC teams to score an A

[TorontoFin]

.. on Rotoworld. Which is kinda cool because Gregg Rosenthal is an admitted Pats Fan. The other is -- surprise, surprise -- KC. speaking of this. It needs to be said. I agree they had the best draft too. But can all the talking heads cool it a bit. Who wouldn't have had those results when the most dominant player at his position falls to you at 5, and you still have 13 freakin' picks to play with for the rest of the draft. Thanks a lot.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspxsport=NFL&columnid=174&articleid=30258

 

[TorontoFin]

story didn't link. try this..

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=NFL&columnid=174&articleid=30258

 

[G-Force]

Must be someone with a huge Big 10 crush that ranked us that high. We got 2 good players in Long and Merling and a QB that couldn't win in a weak, pathetic conference that App. State could win and a bunch of guys no one really ever heard of. Sounds like a A to me.

 

[G-Force]

Not saying none of the no-name guys won't be good but they don't know that either. I never heard any of the people on this board or anywhere else mention any of the 4-7th round guys.

 

[SuperMarksBros.]

Must be someone with a huge Big 10 crush that ranked us that high. We got 2 good players in Long and Merling and a QB that couldn't win in a weak, pathetic conference that App. State could win and a bunch of guys no one really ever heard of. Sounds like a A to me

that was some game though. i felt so bad for Henne when the App St special teams unit blocked his FG attempt.

 

[chirkware]

Actually, one of three on that report...The Steelers got an A- as well.

 

[G-Force]

that was some game though. i felt so bad for Henne when the App St special teams unit blocked his FG attempt.

That was Corey Lynch whom blocked that and returned it to run the time out. I thought we should have drafted him but Cinn got him in the late 6th round. He was a 4 time All-American and defensive player of the year in Apps division and we take some other little school guys that accomplished nothing. I really didn't like the way we drafted. If you take a look back at Bills drafts you would notice that no more than 1-2 players ever work out in his drafts and the way we drafted and passed on people is the reason why IMO.

 

[LJK825]

Must be someone with a huge Big 10 crush that ranked us that high. We got 2 good players in Long and Merling and a QB that couldn't win in a weak, pathetic conference that App. State could win and a bunch of guys no one really ever heard of. Sounds like a A to me.

I admittedly have a Big Ten crush. I take offense to your 'weak pathetic conference' comment. :boohoo:


(But dont worry, I live in NC now, and I am now surrounded by a bunch of ACC homers.)

 

[SuperMarksBros.]

That was Corey Lynch whom blocked that and returned it to run the time out. I thought we should have drafted him but Cinn got him in the late 6th round. He was a 4 time All-American and defensive player of the year in Apps division and we take some other little school guys that accomplished nothing. I really didn't like the way we drafted. If you take a look back at Bills drafts you would notice that no more than 1-2 players ever work out in his drafts and the way we drafted and passed on people is the reason why IMO.

Parcells took over, and gutted, the patriots and jets some time ago. Had NE in the SB within 4 years, the jets in the conf championship within 2. What did these teams have in common with Miami? Both teams were coming off 1-15 seasons when he took over.

You dont make bad points, but I'll trust Parcells' talent evaluation.

 

[Trowa]

Not saying none of the no-name guys won't be good but they don't know that either. I never heard any of the people on this board or anywhere else mention any of the 4-7th round guys.

Right so since you've never heard of any of these guys we didn't have a good draft. Makes sense. Because of course you've heard of all the great players that have come out in the late rounds over the past few years. You were right on top of that Marques Colston pick. And I remember last year all that talking you did about Kevin Boss. And what about T.J. Houshmanzadeh? Where did you have Shane Olivea on your list of tackles in 2004?

I'm not trying to be a jackass here, I'm just tired of people saying "I've never heard of any of these guys so we didn't have a good draft." Admittedly I haven't heard of all the players we drafted, but I do know that an NFL front office knows a lot more than me about these players and that drafts are won on the second day with the players no one has heard of.

 

[G-Force]

Right so since you've never heard of any of these guys we didn't have a good draft. Makes sense. Because of course you've heard of all the great players that have come out in the late rounds over the past few years. You were right on top of that Marques Colston pick. And I remember last year all that talking you did about Kevin Boss. And what about T.J. Houshmanzadeh? Where did you have Shane Olivea on your list of tackles in 2004?

I'm not trying to be a jackass here, I'm just tired of people saying "I've never heard of any of these guys so we didn't have a good draft." Admittedly I haven't heard of all the players we drafted, but I do know that an NFL front office knows a lot more than me about these players and that drafts are won on the second day with the players no one has heard of.

I was actually reffering to on-feild accomplishments. We needed secondary help yet we draft 2 HB's that never really accomplished anything and 2 O-lineman that no one mentioned on any draft preview sites that I seen. Olivea was mentioned last year. I wasn't saying that their isn't any talent there but we drafted players where we have strengths and ignored accomplished players. Like I said look at the list of Parcells drafts and you will see that 2 people is all that makes it the majority of the time. Parcells goes to teams that already has talent and motivates that talent and teaches them to play. His drafting sucks and we are in deperate need of draftees.

 

[G-Force]

I admittedly have a Big Ten crush. I take offense to your 'weak pathetic conference' comment. :boohoo:


(But dont worry, I live in NC now, and I am now surrounded by a bunch of ACC homers.)

Sorry. The Big 10 just can't compete with the other confrences and year after year 5 teams from there are ranked. Those rankings are what allows them to get humiliated in the Championship year after year and cheats a real title contender that would make the game worth watching. BTW the Big 10 and Pac 10 are the confrences that voted against the AND 1 BCS championship game yesterday. I wonder why?

 

[SuperMarksBros.]

I was actually reffering to on-feild accomplishments. We needed secondary help yet we draft 2 HB's that never really accomplished anything and 2 O-lineman that no one mentioned on any draft preview sites that I seen. Olivea was mentioned last year. I wasn't saying that they isn't any talent there but we drafted players where we have strengths and ignored accomplished players. Like I said look at teh list of Parcells drafts and you will see that 2 people is all that makes it the majority of the time. Parcells goes tyyo teams that already has talent and motivates that talent and teaches them to play. His drafting sucks and we are in deperate need of draftees.

what are you talking about? did you just choose to ignore my previous post? Parcells takes over teams that are completely DEVOID of talent and builds them from the ground up. besides the 1-15 NE & jets teams already mentioned, the giants team he took over in the late 70's was equally awful...and the last time i checked, the cowboys didnt finish 13-3 and send 13 players to the pro bowl last year because Parcells was able to "motivate" Quincy Cater, Troy Hambrick, and every other stiff he inherited.

This guy is a personnel guru, and he's proven it several times over.

 

[Marino Forever]

I was actually reffering to on-feild accomplishments. We needed secondary help yet we draft 2 HB's that never really accomplished anything and 2 O-lineman that no one mentioned on any draft preview sites that I seen. Olivea was mentioned last year. I wasn't saying that their isn't any talent there but we drafted players where we have strengths and ignored accomplished players. Like I said look at the list of Parcells drafts and you will see that 2 people is all that makes it the majority of the time. Parcells goes to teams that already has talent and motivates that talent and teaches them to play. His drafting sucks and we are in deperate need of draftees.

Parmale- 2600 yards and 22 TDs in the last two years

Hilliard- 4000 yards and 50 TDs in his 4 year career

These fools didn't accomplish ANYTHING!

 

[Trowa]

I was actually reffering to on-feild accomplishments. We needed secondary help yet we draft 2 HB's that never really accomplished anything and 2 O-lineman that no one mentioned on any draft preview sites that I seen. Olivea was mentioned last year. I wasn't saying that they isn't any talent there but we drafted players where we have strengths and ignored accomplished players. Like I said look at teh list of Parcells drafts and you will see that 2 people is all that makes it the majority of the time. Parcells goes tyyo teams that already has talent and motivates that talent and teaches them to play. His drafting sucks and we are in deperate need of draftees.

I do agree to an extent that there are players that were on the board at certain picks that we passed on that I didn't agree with. Most notably in the 3rd round picking Langford over Dan Connor or Godfrey. But Parcells is notoriously hands-off concerning the second day of the draft. Meaning that he allows the scouts and player personnel people to handle those picks. It's unknown at this time if he continued that trend now that he is no longer in a head coaching position but if so then the only picks he's responsible for are Long, Merling and Henne which we would all agree were good, smart value picks.

To address the point you made about we drafted where we have strengths, I don't see a single position we drafted where you can honestly say we have a strength. 3 picks were spent on offensive line where we had 2 holes at starter and virtually no depth. 2 were spent on D-Line. We had the 32nd run defense last year and guys like Vonnie Holliday and Jason Ferguson don't have many years left, Matt Roth has not lived up to his draft status and Rod Wright and Abraham Wright are unrpoven. 1 pick was spent on QB which is a huge ? for us and if Beck doesn't pan out then at least we have another young guy on the roster who could be the answer. And RB is not necessarily a strength either. Brown is coming off an ACL injury and could never be the same and Ricky has been in and out of the league the past few years and when he's been in hasn't shown too much. Parmalee is a big brusing back in a Ronnie Brown mold that fits in well with this offense and Hilliard is a HB/FB hybrid which gives us depth and versatility.

It's irrational to think that all 8 of our picks will pan out and be stars in the NFL. Odds are not all of them will even make it through camp, but this is a 1-15 team with a lack of young talent that needs players at EVERY position. We drafted to improve the front 7 which will make our secondary better and to improve our running game which will make our WR better. Until we improved those two spots we could have all the Lito Shepherds and Chad Johnsons in the world and it would make no difference. This team will not be rebuilt in one offseason and once we have the building blocks in place on the front 7 on defense and the offensive line on offense maybe next year we can go for those sexy WR/DB picks. But this draft was about getting bigger, stronger and nastier as a team and we got guys that fit that mold. I'm sorry if you don't like that but what more did you expect going in seeing who's running this team?