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Fins going to the air in the red-zone

ckparrothead said:
As a personnel guy this would be one of my primary focuses, finding as many weapons to slog the offense through the red zone mud as I can. That goes for OLs, RBs, TEs, even QBs. The way the NFL is evolving, teams that have well coached offenses are finding it easier than ever to move the ball between the 20's and get into scoring range, but it's the teams that can keep moving that ball through the red zone and punch it into the end zone that are differentiating themselves from the rest of the league.

I actually LIKE Tony Sparano's idea up in New York to make Tim Tebow essentially a red zone QB/RB. I would consider signing Plaxico Burress if I thought it would earn me some red zone real estate. I would look at tailbacks that are particularly good in the the tight spaces seen in the tight red area (e.g. Jonas Gray, NOT Daniel Thomas). I would look at quarterbacks that have an unusual efficiency near the goal line (e.g. Ryan Tannehill and David Garrard, NOT Matt Moore).

0 to 10 Yard Line Touchdowns, Attempts, Efficiency
Daniel Thomas 2011: 0 TD, 10 ATT (00.0%)
Legedu Naanee 2011: 0 TD, 6 ATT (00.0%)
Brian Hartline 2011: 0 TD, 5 ATT (00.0%)
Chad Johnson 2011: 0 TD, 0 ATT (00.0%)

Davone Bess 2011: 1 TD, 6 ATT (16.7%)*
Lamar Miller 2011: 2 TD, 10 ATT (20.0%)
B.J. Cunningham 2011: 2 TD, 9 ATT (22.2%)
Reggie Bush 2011: 4 TD, 15 ATT (26.7%)**
Matt Moore 2011: 10 TD, 36 ATT (27.8%)

Rishard Matthews 2011: 3 TD, 9 ATT (33.3%)
Steve Slaton 2011: 1 TD, 3 ATT (33.3%)
Anthony Fasano 2011: 2 TD, 5 ATT (40.0%)
Michael Egnew 2011: 2 TD, 5 ATT (40.0%)***

Jeff Fuller 2011: 3 TD, 6 ATT (50.0%)
David Garrard 2010: 12 TD, 23 ATT (52.2%)
Ryan Tannehill 2011: 15 TD, 28 ATT (53.6%)
Charles Clay 2011: 2 TD, 3 ATT (66.7%)
Jonas Gray 2011: 9 TD, 12 ATT (75.0%)

*Note: Davone's numbers include 1 ATT that was a run.
**Note: Reggie's numbers include 1 TD and 4 ATT that were pass targets.
***Note: Michael's numbers include 1 ATT that was a run.
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Great info. Thanks for the information.
 
ckparrothead said:
As a personnel guy this would be one of my primary focuses, finding as many weapons to slog the offense through the red zone mud as I can. That goes for OLs, RBs, TEs, even QBs. The way the NFL is evolving, teams that have well coached offenses are finding it easier than ever to move the ball between the 20's and get into scoring range, but it's the teams that can keep moving that ball through the red zone and punch it into the end zone that are differentiating themselves from the rest of the league.

I actually LIKE Tony Sparano's idea up in New York to make Tim Tebow essentially a red zone QB/RB. I would consider signing Plaxico Burress if I thought it would earn me some red zone real estate. I would look at tailbacks that are particularly good in the the tight spaces seen in the tight red area (e.g. Jonas Gray, NOT Daniel Thomas). I would look at quarterbacks that have an unusual efficiency near the goal line (e.g. Ryan Tannehill and David Garrard, NOT Matt Moore).

0 to 10 Yard Line Touchdowns, Attempts, Efficiency
Daniel Thomas 2011: 0 TD, 10 ATT (00.0%)
Legedu Naanee 2011: 0 TD, 6 ATT (00.0%)
Brian Hartline 2011: 0 TD, 5 ATT (00.0%)
Chad Johnson 2011: 0 TD, 0 ATT (00.0%)

Davone Bess 2011: 1 TD, 6 ATT (16.7%)*
Lamar Miller 2011: 2 TD, 10 ATT (20.0%)
B.J. Cunningham 2011: 2 TD, 9 ATT (22.2%)
Reggie Bush 2011: 4 TD, 15 ATT (26.7%)**
Matt Moore 2011: 10 TD, 36 ATT (27.8%)

Rishard Matthews 2011: 3 TD, 9 ATT (33.3%)
Steve Slaton 2011: 1 TD, 3 ATT (33.3%)
Anthony Fasano 2011: 2 TD, 5 ATT (40.0%)
Michael Egnew 2011: 2 TD, 5 ATT (40.0%)***

Jeff Fuller 2011: 3 TD, 6 ATT (50.0%)
David Garrard 2010: 12 TD, 23 ATT (52.2%)
Ryan Tannehill 2011: 15 TD, 28 ATT (53.6%)
Charles Clay 2011: 2 TD, 3 ATT (66.7%)
Jonas Gray 2011: 9 TD, 12 ATT (75.0%)

*Note: Davone's numbers include 1 ATT that was a run.
**Note: Reggie's numbers include 1 TD and 4 ATT that were pass targets.
***Note: Michael's numbers include 1 ATT that was a run.
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Are these career numbers? Seems like some are just for the player's stint with the Fins, others are career, and then rookies your talking about their college efficiency. If that's the case, where are the numbers for the college efficiency of these other guys? Just seems like stilted statistics to me, CK. Presented in a manner to support your argument (which, by the way, I do agree with).
 
overworkedirish said:
Are these career numbers? Seems like some are just for the player's stint with the Fins, others are career, and then rookies your talking about their college efficiency. If that's the case, where are the numbers for the college efficiency of these other guys? Just seems like stilted statistics to me, CK. Presented in a manner to support your argument (which, by the way, I do agree with).
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The "2011" or "2010" next to the names would seem to indicate that the numbers are from 2011...or 2010...

Incidentally, I take the charge of "manipulating statistics" very seriously. It's not a way to get on my friendly side. Just FYI.
 
Pat-London said:
So... Would this bring Plax into the conversation? Red zone threat wise he would garner a lot of attention and could free up for others

Thoughts?
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Plaxico Burress is only in the conversation if the Dolphins want him to be in the conversation.

FWIW, Plaxico Burress had 5 TD on 12 ATT in 2011...a 41.7% number which actually is very good at the NFL level for a wide receiver. Larry Fitzgerald, as a for instance, was only 1 for 7 (14.3%) in 2011...but obviously those QBs weren't helping him very much. Specifically Kevin Kolb's 1 for 12 (08.3%) was farking awful. Then again Skelton's 5 of 13 (38.5%) in my experience is actually on the high side for a quarterback.

Calvin Johnson on the other hand, probably a gold standard in this regard, was 6 for 11 (54.5%). Andre Johnson was only 1 for 4 (25.0%) but it was a shortened season for him. Hakeem Nicks was 4 for 8 (50.0%), etc.
 
ckparrothead said:
The "2011" or "2010" next to the names would seem to indicate that the numbers are from 2011...or 2010...

Incidentally, I take the charge of "manipulating statistics" very seriously. It's not a way to get on my friendly side. Just FYI.
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Apologies - don't know how I missed the years there. All I was saying was that all statistics have an agenda in the way they are presented. I clearly misunderstood how you were presenting them, since I missed the years next to the names you included.
 
I just feel that we are in a new reality now. With SPARANO and the outdated, lingering stench of PARCELLSBALL, redzone scoring, especially from inside the 10, was made much tougher because EVERYONE knew what was coming: too much "up the gut", leaving maybe 1 passing attempt, unless it was late in the 4th. And if practice DOES mean anything, or help at all, an "O" unprepared and unready to deliver because they had too little practice at redzone passing.

Add onto that a diva #1 WR who suffered from the dropsies, and yes there is a problem...even w/o mentioning the ever-present COLUMBO-CAREY fiasco.

The ENTIRE scheme, top to bottom, was an ill-conceived recipe for a disaster, i/m/o.
 
If we are going to the air in the red zone look for Fasano to havea good season.
 
I don't think we ever converted on any fade passes in the end zone under Sparano. It was terrible.

The red zone is where guys like Fasano, Clay and Wallace are going to need to step up obviously.
 
Decent red zone offense last year would have won a couple more games...
 
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