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Ahhh nevermind, I was watching the thread as you were giving live comments on watching, and was waiting for the WTF, like I had watching it live. I know what they were trying to do. We ran the same play in 2001 against Seahawks and popped it for like 50. When the DB didnt come across the formation with McKenzie they should have called TO. Without clearing that DB that play was going no where.

I hate those types of plays. If you want 1 yard then don't start 5-6-7 yards form the line of scrimmage. Now you need to get atleast 8 yards to move the sticks.

You have a huge guy like Allen you're not afraid to run but can't come up with anything resembling spreading them out and have him keep it for 1 yard?
 

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I hate those types of plays. If you want 1 yard then don't start 5-6-7 yards form the line of scrimmage. Now you need to get atleast 8 yards to move the sticks.

You have a huge guy like Allen you're not afraid to run but can't come up with anything resembling spreading them out and have him keep it for 1 yard?
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One things I think that will help the Bills Sunday is their depth and how they rotate their DL. That will b the best way to limit the heat and humidity issue that they have 11 guys (9 that played this past sunday) that they can roll into 4 spots to keep fresh. Rousseau, Epenesa, Obada, Hughes, Addison and Basham at the DE spots

Oliver, Star, Butler, Phillips, Zimmer (Rousseau and Basham) at the DT spots
Did you notice Miami going up-tempo last week to limit substitutions? Another wrinkle to consider. Every team rotates their line.
 

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I think if Allen continues to expose himself the way he did on the Steelers game, running like a RB; he will get a big injury before midseason.
 

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Sanders, Diggs, Davis and Beasley might be a decent set of wrs, but I think Parker, Fuller, Waddle and Wilson are at least be their equal. Gesicki is better at te than Knox. However, in general the Bills passing game as a whole is more dynamic and more of a problem than Miami's at this stage.

I'm actually of the opinion that a 100% Parker is as good as just about anyone in the league. He's just rarely 100%, even when he plays.
 

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Well! Unless we can do something to slow down Allen and/or he continues to have accuracy issues etc then i don't see us winning.
Bills have the huge QB advantage and their DL vs. our OL advantage.

It's hard to overcome those things with everything else.

Anyway that's why they play the game and i hope i'm wrong.
 

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I'm actually of the opinion that a 100% Parker is as good as just about anyone in the league. He's just rarely 100%, even when he plays.

He looked so fresh and explosive in the Patriots game. The FO has to be given credit the way they've managed him during TC etc.
Hopefully he's able to play like that for the rest of the season.
 

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Did you notice Miami going up-tempo last week to limit substitutions? Another wrinkle to consider. Every team rotates their line.
Yeah I did, but the NFL Rules limit that, because if you substitute the rules state the Defense can substitute. I think it is a dumb rule that has been put in place but is there.
 

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Ahhh gonna pop off Finhevean for a bit, have to move over to TBD to watch the meltdown of Vaccine Requirements to get in the stadium that they just announced.
 

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Lol you still call it that too? Must be a 90s kid thing
LOL....I mean hard rocks....I should had remember.....I gamble a lot. BTw i have grandkids.. so its not a kid thing.....i was in my 30s in the 90s....EDIT....Wait a minute....He is right afterall now that i think about it....I was a kid in the 90s...HAHA
 

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I actually did this for the past game and when I was done with it I looked at it and said hmmm, Steelers are going to be harder than I initially thought and we could very well drop this game. So I will not do the same here. Maybe it will spark some nice conversation this week as well. I will try to be as objective as possible, but at the same time I am a Bills fan and you all know that so if I am missing something or wrong, point it out and provide reasons, I always like to learn. Then I end with HC and QB on their own. While I know QB doesn't go against QB, it is the only way to really look at it those two in a vacuum. So without further talk I am going to get into it..

Bills on Offense:
OL vs DL (Push) - Before the Steelers game and even with the issues they have (will get into this I would have said Advantage Bills. After the Steelers game I will downgrade my initial thinking to a push, but that is a close push as well, I Almost was going to give a Fins the advantage here, but it was only one game. Now the Bills are bringing back the same OL that they had last year and while that is all well and good because the line last year was really good. There are some issues within it. Dion Dawkins is not close to, and likely will never be in true playing shape this year after his big fight with COVID. He is lighter (I think he mentioned like 30 pounds lost) and not as strong. One thing about this is In Season it is almost impossible to add weight and strength. So I do not think we will see the real Dawkins at all this year, but he needs to get Solid, was tagged for 3 holding calls against Steelers. Feliciano another player that for some reason (not COVID related) decided to come into camp 20 pounds lighter than he normally is. To date he no Bills have really addressed why, only thing we have heard it was his personal choice and not related to any program Bills had him on. And it showed, he was ABUSED by the bigger and stronger Heyward. Morse has always had anchor problems against powerful DTs so those two got abused by Heyward. Ford did not have a good game, but he wasnt far off what he normally is, I just think this is his last year in Buffalo and ready to move on from him. Williams was as Solid as he could have been against Watt but also was tagged with a Hold. The thing is though Fins do not have a Heyward, Ingram and a Watt, there is a step down in the DL talent here, so unlike Steelers I do not think Fins will be able to consistently get pressure with 3 and 4 like Steelers did. So for this game right now I am going Push here.

WR/TEs vs DBs (Advantage Bills) - Before I start this I know your top DBs are really good in the NFL. However going with the overall depth, and the love of Man Coverage that give the Advantage Bills here. In 4 wide sets they will have Diggs, Beasley, Sanders and Davis at WR. I put that as an advantage Bills here especially in man concepts, Diggs, Beasley and Sanders are probably all top 10 in terms of route running. They will get separation. I do think you easily take away Knox (I am not high on him at all, I know some are but not me). I tried to watch as much as I could in the preseason and week 1 to see your Zone concepts as Bills have struggled against zones in the past, I just do not see anywhere I can move this into a push here. And because of the man coverage that you run and not having the horses upfront IMO this could be a long day for the secondary.

RBs vs LBers (Push) - I so want to make this an advantage Bills but coaching tells me no. I do think with Singletary and an Active (not a healthy scratch Moss) Bills could really exploit your LBers both in the pass game but more importantly in the run. I just think we are really good to hand the ball off a ton against you and would win this game, but that is NOT going to happen, that isnt what these new Bills are, so that being said the Bills will take their own run game out of it. Now every week since 2020 I saw a good run matchup and thought the Bills would exploit it (even Sunday), they refused to do so. So because of that I will never put advantage Bills in this line again, until they show me they are willing to do it. Last week Moss being inactive for Brieda and Jones (when coach says it is a numbers game and those two are VITAL on ST, the same ST that allowed a blocked punt), I question that decision. I wish the Bills would hand the ball off maybe 10 more times a gam, but I am starting to get to the point that isnt going to happen.

Bills on Defense
OL vs DL (Push) - I liked how the Bills DL started off Sunday, I hated how it ended with them. But Without Star they held their own and played really well against Steelers Run game. Early in the game they were getting around Ben and disrupting him, but then at the end of the game seemed to disappear, now I know that also could have been because Ben went into his get the ball out immediately mode. But this is a work in progress for them. Only reason I didnt go advantage Phins here and maybe I can be talked into it is because I just dont see your OL that good at all. Granted that is an outsider view looking in and when I watch your games I do not watch multiple times to focus on each unit, so I might be missing something here. What I will say though is the Bills will rotate their DEs alot (Hughes and Groot will start) but Addision, Epenesa, Obada will get plenty of rotations, I am not sure what the plan is for Basham as he was a healthy scratch last week as they kept extra DTs up due to Star being out. This will be an area that they will have to win, in order to help out the next group.

WRs/TEs vs DBs (Advantage Fins) - Its been awhile since I thought that against the Bills Secondary against the Fins, but here we are. Tre will take away one player, I am not sure who they would put him on. Sometimes he shadows, sometimes he plays a side. I would imagine him shadowing and taking Parker the entire game which he will and should win that individual matchup. The rest of the secondary I am not as confident about. Levi Wallace was abused Sunday against Steelers, Ben said ok not throwing at Tre (he tried once and was picked, called back on a phantom D hold), but just went after Wallace and to a lesser extent Johnson (he is a solid NB). The Silver lining, ever since Wallace has put a uniform on for the Bills he has a clunker (Sunday) and normally followed by 2-3 really top end games, so in that pattern I shouldn't worry about him but I do. The issue is depth, If MIA OL can hold up and you can trot a 4th and 5th WR and keep Tua clean it could be a long day for the Bills secondary. Milano will be able to handle Gesicki, if not it falls to Poyer and Hyde and I am fine with those matchups as well.

RBs vs LBers (Advantage Bills) - Sorry this might sound hard, not worried a Bit here, we just faced Steelers and Harris and was fine. Edmunds and Milano are two of the top LBers in the league IMO and I have no worries about this position battle.

ST vs ST - (Advantage Phins) - I love our Kicker and with yours thats a Push as well. I hate our Punter, I get why the Bills signed him for holding something Bojo could NEVER get right, but by doing so they downgraded in actual punting. Also traded a HUGE KEY ST player in Johnson to Carolina is hurting them. I like McKenzie as a Return man (though his is dinged up) Stevenson who would be the return man is on IR, I am scared to death of your return game.

HC (Push) - I think Both teams are very well coached and will be ready for the game. I think McD fixes himself on his in game management mistakes he had Sunday.

QB (Advantage Bills) - Gonna keep this short as I dont want to make it sound like an attack. But at this time Allen is a better QB and more advanced in his progression timeline in the NFL.


There is my thinking on the position groups, have fun fragging away and look forward to the discussion this week. Win or lose I will be back early next week (as long as I dont get a timeout for some reason).
Thanks for a nice write-up by a non-Fins person!
 

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Bills on Defense
OL vs DL (Push) - I liked how the Bills DL started off Sunday, I hated how it ended with them. But Without Star they held their own and played really well against Steelers Run game. Early in the game they were getting around Ben and disrupting him, but then at the end of the game seemed to disappear, now I know that also could have been because Ben went into his get the ball out immediately mode. But this is a work in progress for them. Only reason I didnt go advantage Phins here and maybe I can be talked into it is because I just dont see your OL that good at all. Granted that is an outsider view looking in and when I watch your games I do not watch multiple times to focus on each unit, so I might be missing something here. What I will say though is the Bills will rotate their DEs alot (Hughes and Groot will start) but Addision, Epenesa, Obada will get plenty of rotations, I am not sure what the plan is for Basham as he was a healthy scratch last week as they kept extra DTs up due to Star being out. This will be an area that they will have to win, in order to help out the next group.
I donlt see a lot to disagree with on your post but I've been wondering about this DL unit.

Who is Groot? Rousseau? Is he starting?

How is Hughes still starting at 33? Is he a good edge setter because he hasn't offer a lot in the way of sacks in 4 or 5 years. Still getting pressures?

What is the deal with Epenesa? He was highly touted coming out of Iowa even though he dropped a bit in the draft.

Also curious about Boogie. I liked him as a prospect. Not to mention, Ed Oliver.

Lots of big names and high picks on that DL.
 

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I think you (he) was overly kind to the Dolphins. He has us about even. The Bills made it to the AFC championship last year and the Dolphins didn't even make the playoffs. Unless Allen falls off drastically the Bills are a better team.

I think you failed to mention one of the key difference makers. Your OC and the Dolphins lack of continuity in that area.

Watching the NE game it was obvious that Mac was put in a much better position to be/look successful than Tua. If Flo could do enough to attract a top level OC and OL coach it would do wonders for this team.

If and when that happens, then we will have a real battle on our hands. Someone needs to challenge KC and I'd like it to be one of us!
 
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