prolific said:
ottie35 said:
I find it pretty hillarious that Fish fans are focusing on Denver's defensive line instead of their own. Sure, we brought in some players who were considered underachievers in Cleveland, but it seems to be lost on you guys that they were ADDED to a unit that was already 4th against the run and 4th overall in the NFL last year. Nobody questions that Brown, Warren and Ekuban are extremely talented. They were all high draft picks. That has not been their problem. The NFL is full of players who only achieved their potential once they changed teams, so this is nothing new. Miami, on the other hand ALSO brought in new defensive line guys. However you brought in old guys that are well past their prime, while we moved older guys off the roster or to the 2nd unit (Marco Coleman). This is odd considering you are the team that went 4-12 and we went 10-6, so you should be the ones rebuilding with younger guys.finfan54 said:
Before you start bashing the performance of the "Browncos" last season it might be nice to look at how some of your own D-line castoffs are likely to perform. Traylor is 70 pounds overweight, with limited mobility and makes a good space eater but can't do the one thing you MUST do to stop Denver's running game; move well laterally. Holliday was a puzzling pickup to me. Kansas City's "defense" was pathetic the last two years so ANYBODY leaviing the Chiefs should be looked at with extreme skepticism. In the two Kansas City games last season, Denver runners gained 299 yards on 48 carries, or a whopping 6.2 yards a pop. It was even worse in 2003 as Denver went through the Chiefs "defense" like a hot knife through butter, averaging 34.5 points, 488 yards total offense and 224 on the ground, going off for a ridiculous 7 yards per carry rushing. For the 2004 season, KC's "defense" was horrible, finishing 28th against the run in yard per rush and dead last in yards per pass. They were no better in 2003, finishing last against the run and 29th overall. These dismal performances were actually considerably worse than Cleveland, which finished 27th and 16th respectively last year. The biggest difference however, is that these "Browncos" are not only talented, but young as well. Contrast this with the old guys Miami brought in. Keith Traylor is a fat old tub-o-goo whose good for one thing...clogging up the middle. He was effectively hidden in New England playing with the Pats superior talent around him. Unfortunately for you, Denver LOVES going against guys like this because they're stationary targets. Running against guys like Traylor and Holliday will always put smiles on the faces of Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell. The addition of Kevin Carter may help some, but Carter is 31, and not the player he used to be. His sack totals were somewhat inflated in St. Louis, which scored so much that the other team was frequently forced to pass in order to catch up, giving him the ability to forget about the run and just go after the QB early and often. Carter was let go by the Titans after 4 mediocre seasons; a team that finished 27th in total defense last year and 30th against the pass. So while Fish fans may think the "Browncos" will be easy pickin's, castoffs from sorry defenses lilke Kansas City and Tennessee plus an obese Traylor should hardly invoke confidence against our running game.
It's also quite funny to hear you talking about the Fish running over these guys based on their performance against them last year in Cleveland. The Fish scored only 10 points against Cleveland last year and gained a mediocre 280 yards in total offense. Adding a rookie runner and a career backup QB who can't get out of his own way doesn't qualify you to think it will be any better this time going up against these same guys surrounded by the fastest linebackers in the NFL and 2 All Pro defensive backs in the secondary.
The NFL's 4th best defense from 2004 added All Pro DE Trevor Pryce, a young, quick, potentially dominating DT in Warren, increased speed and depth off the edges in Ekuban and Engleberger and a high motor run stuffer in Myers. Anything physical freak Courtney Brown adds is merely gravy. If he stays healthy, this is a top 3 D-Line. Miami will not be improved on defense by adding old, slow, over-the-hill players like Traylor, Holliday and Carter to go with their other geezers like Seau and Thomas. Another 4-12 season is a distinct possibility. Barring a weather related equalizer in the form of a mud hole for a field, Denver should rush for 180-200 yards and probably sacks Gus at least 4 times. Giving Shanahan more than a week to prepare against a rookie coach is a recipe for a Denver win.
Prediction: Denver 34 Miami 10
