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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/05/26/king.tuesday.qb/index.html

Jason Taylor might be out of the Dancing With the Stars contest, but thoughts of Taylor are dancing in the heads of a lot of e-mailers this week.
Anson Parillaud of Tallahassee is not the only one to wonder why the Dolphins are taking such a hard line with Taylor. Anson e-mails to ask: "Bill Parcells is noted for having different rules for different players, so why is he suddenly acting like such a stickler with Jason Taylor? Isn't high-character, overachieving man-of-the-year Taylor entitled to at least as much slack as crack-addled Lawrence Taylor was? Is Parcells just using this as a way to crack the whip and install a different culture in the Miami locker room?''
Anson, to end your question the way you did, you must know the Parcells history. I was just beginning to cover the Giants for Newsday in 1985 when the Parcells way was gripping the Giants. At that time, most teams allowed their players to work out on their own in the offseason. The Bengals, for instance, encouraged players, once the season was over, "to get on with their life's work'' for the offseason, as founder Paul Brown put it.
But Parcells wanted to change the culture of the Giants, and told the players he expected them to work out at the Giants Stadium facility during the winter and spring months. Along with strength coach Johnny Parker, Parcells started to make the Giants a tougher and stronger team in the offseason, gaining an edge over the teams that let their players go their own way. It paid off, obviously, with the Giants making the playoffs in 1984 and 1985, then winning the Super Bowl in 1986. I remember receiver/returner Phil McConkey once telling me the Giants' "voluntary'' workouts were actually "voluntary mandatory'' workouts.
Particularly when Parcells is trying to establish a new culture, he's going to want every player participating fully in lifting and running for four days a week at the Dolphins facility in Davie, Fla. And right now, Taylor is the only guy out of the program. Thus the wrath of Parcells.
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That's fine and dandy, but...

Dolphins are mammals, not fish.:wink:
 
I for one don't buy into Parcell's toughline with Taylor as a good thing. Maybe Taylor does want out of Miami thus saying he would miss training camp, etc. and if true we have a totally different story.

However this seems (emphasis on seems) to be another Parcells situation where he has to be in control and he's taking it out on a perennial pro-bowler who's never had any issues. Parcells blasts Taylor but sticks up for Ricky Williams who although he works hard could be out of the league with one failed drug test; that just seems silly to me. This situation could be the work of Taylor or Parcells but for now it seems as if Parcells is doing the bullying and if so he needs to lay off. Let's not forgot that Parcells hasn't won a Super Bowl in almost two decades and his team did better in Dallas once he left. I'm not saying I don't like Parcells in Miami, I do, but I'm not rushing to call him the Dolphins savior either.
 
I've now become a bit tired of Parcells and his issues with Taylor. The NFL and its culture has changed alot since 1986 and the last time he won a superbowl, about 22 yrs ago. Seems that Parcells is more aggravated with Jason Taylors dancing than he was with Lawrence Taylors cocaine abuse.
I'm still excited that Parcells, Ireland, and Sparano are here...but this is the first time for all of them in their respective job capacities (Not counting Sparano HC at New Haven).
 
SKing29 said:
I for one don't buy into Parcell's toughline with Taylor as a good thing. Maybe Taylor does want out of Miami thus saying he would miss training camp, etc. and if true we have a totally different story.

However this seems (emphasis on seems) to be another Parcells situation where he has to be in control and he's taking it out on a perennial pro-bowler who's never had any issues. Parcells blasts Taylor but sticks up for Ricky Williams who although he works hard could be out of the league with one failed drug test; that just seems silly to me. This situation could be the work of Taylor or Parcells but for now it seems as if Parcells is doing the bullying and if so he needs to lay off. Let's not forgot that Parcells hasn't won a Super Bowl in almost two decades and his team did better in Dallas once he left. I'm not saying I don't like Parcells in Miami, I do, but I'm not rushing to call him the Dolphins savior either.
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well just what I was thinkin
 
SKing29 said:
I for one don't buy into Parcell's toughline with Taylor as a good thing. Maybe Taylor does want out of Miami thus saying he would miss training camp, etc. and if true we have a totally different story.

However this seems (emphasis on seems) to be another Parcells situation where he has to be in control and he's taking it out on a perennial pro-bowler who's never had any issues. Parcells blasts Taylor but sticks up for Ricky Williams who although he works hard could be out of the league with one failed drug test; that just seems silly to me. This situation could be the work of Taylor or Parcells but for now it seems as if Parcells is doing the bullying and if so he needs to lay off. Let's not forgot that Parcells hasn't won a Super Bowl in almost two decades and his team did better in Dallas once he left. I'm not saying I don't like Parcells in Miami, I do, but I'm not rushing to call him the Dolphins savior either.
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Can you tell me something you've heard besides the one time we heard BP gave JT the cold shoulder while JT was still on DWTS? I haven't, so if that one time is where all this "BP is a bully to JT" is coming from, its pathetic.

JT is not in camp, that's what BP and Sprano know. There is no need to bring up the past or any other players, esp those working hard in camp. That isn't the issue, the issue is with JT himself.
 
SKing29 said:
I for one don't buy into Parcell's toughline with Taylor as a good thing. Maybe Taylor does want out of Miami thus saying he would miss training camp, etc. and if true we have a totally different story.

However this seems (emphasis on seems) to be another Parcells situation where he has to be in control and he's taking it out on a perennial pro-bowler who's never had any issues. Parcells blasts Taylor but sticks up for Ricky Williams who although he works hard could be out of the league with one failed drug test; that just seems silly to me. This situation could be the work of Taylor or Parcells but for now it seems as if Parcells is doing the bullying and if so he needs to lay off. Let's not forgot that Parcells hasn't won a Super Bowl in almost two decades and his team did better in Dallas once he left. I'm not saying I don't like Parcells in Miami, I do, but I'm not rushing to call him the Dolphins savior either.
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I believe you missed the part where Sparano said last week, that the Dolphins have been informed by Taylor he won't be around. This is not Parcells taking a tough stance, but Taylor throwing a tantrum and trying to get his way.

Taylor should have hopped a plane the day after DWTS ended and been back for the OTA last weekemd.
 
NYinBostonFin said:
Can you tell me something you've heard besides the one time we heard BP gave JT the cold shoulder while JT was still on DWTS? I haven't, so if that one time is where all this "BP is a bully to JT" is coming from, its pathetic.

JT is not in camp, that's what BP and Sprano know. There is no need to bring up the past or any other players, esp those working hard in camp. That isn't the issue, the issue is with JT himself.
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If you had read my post carefully you would have noticed I used "it seems" a lot. Meaning that I am going off what little info. has come out. I even said that Taylor may be the one behind all of this, I don't know. However it has been Parcells motto to do what he is doing with Taylor now (remember Terrell Owens being "The Receiver"). Therefore I can rationalize that Parcells is being the aggressor because it is not Taylor's thing to cause trouble. Also, once again, I don't discount that maybe Taylor wants out of Miami and this is his way of doing it but the events occurring follow a pattern similar to what Parcells is known for and not what Taylor is known for.
 
SKing29 said:
If you had read my post carefully you would have noticed I used "it seems" a lot. Meaning that I am going off what little info. has come out. I even said that Taylor may be the one behind all of this, I don't know. However it has been Parcells motto to do what he is doing with Taylor now (remember Terrell Owens being "The Receiver"). Therefore I can rationalize that Parcells is being the aggressor because it is not Taylor's thing to cause trouble. Also, once again, I don't discount that maybe Taylor wants out of Miami and this is his way of doing it but the events occurring follow a pattern similar to what Parcells is known for and not what Taylor is known for.
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Anything that comes out negatively has come out of JT's mouth. Sorry if I misread your post, but it seems you have strong feelings from what you heard about BP. All I was asking was if you heard anything I didn't besides the one cold shoulder story we all heard. If all this crying and Im not showing up for camp comes from that....I don't see how anyone can side with JT. A 1-15 team has no room for Divas.

And I believe BP handled TO the best way he knew how, and what was best for the team. He called him the receiver, basically because he was tired of TO being more important than the team. Seems the same is happening here. I can also call out players that benefitted from his "tough love style", but I'd rather take this JT situation on its own, bc BP isn't coaching....and the situation is a lot different bc of it.

There is no reason to bring Ricky, L. Taylor, or anyone in the past up....bc fact is, JT isn't in camp and he should be. If BP is a bully bc he doesn't roll out the red carpet for people that would rather not be there....then Im glad he's a bully.
 
Finfan53 said:
I've now become a bit tired of Parcells and his issues with Taylor. The NFL and its culture has changed alot since 1986 and the last time he won a superbowl, about 22 yrs ago. Seems that Parcells is more aggravated with Jason Taylors dancing than he was with Lawrence Taylors cocaine abuse.
I'm still excited that Parcells, Ireland, and Sparano are here...but this is the first time for all of them in their respective job capacities (Not counting Sparano HC at New Haven).
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Yeah, no way this old school approach can win in today's era. Could you imagine a coach who not only shares the same philosophy as Parcells, but was literally groomed under him for a decade, could go to 4 Superbowls in the last 7 years, and winning 3 of them? No way. Never happen.

No way the Patriots would ever take this kind of hardline stance with an individual player ... just ask Ty Law, or Deon Branch or Asante Samuel.

Bring back Cameran ... he's just spineless enough to handle "today's" NFL.
 
FriendofBill said:
Yeah, no way this old school approach can win in today's era. Could you imagine a coach who not only shares the same philosophy as Parcells, but was literally groomed under him for a decade, could go to 4 Superbowls in the last 7 years, and winning 3 of them? No way. Never happen.

Your right, It could never happen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,unless he cheats, I guess then 4 superbowls is not out of the question at all.
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we were losing because of just that, JT is part of the problem with his attitude, so he needs to just retire or play
 
One of the few times King is dead on 100%. All this Jason Taylor should be allowed to do this and Jason taylor should be allowed to do that is simply just crap. there is only 1 thing Jason Taylor needs to do, and that is to be a teammate.. Well that and to take off the makeup he still has on, so, 2 things..
 
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