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I am starting to realize that Coach Gase is investing significant effort fixing problems Philbin ignored. He started by giving Ryan confidence and allowing hi to run the offense. That gave him an opportunity to grow. We will have to see how he play during December.

Parker needed to be taught how to take care of his body and how to be a professional. That work is underway.

Ajayi had to be held accountable for his childish behavior.

Pead and Williams needed to be held accountable for missing meetings.

James appears to be in the doghouse for lack of effort.

All of these little things add up to inconsistent performance on the offensive side of the ball.
 
I don't believe Gase has a problem with hacking on guys that are ****ing this up.

Only other coach we had like that was Don Shula.

Last summer I got to talk to Vern Den Herder for a couple hours. I asked him about Shula, and he said "He was the boss. That was it."

Sounds like Gase just might be as well. May have to roll a few heads to get there. Would be no great loss.

I'd say that Gase will be an excellent coach. Question is, will the FO let him?
 
Lionstone said:
I am starting to realize that Coach Gase is investing significant effort fixing problems Philbin ignored. He started by giving Ryan confidence and allowing hi to run the offense. That gave him an opportunity to grow. We will have to see how he play during December.

Parker needed to be taught how to take care of his body and how to be a professional. That work is underway.

Ajayi had to be held accountable for his childish behavior.

Pead and Williams needed to be held accountable for missing meetings.

James appears to be in the doghouse for lack of effort.

All of these little things add up to inconsistent performance on the offensive side of the ball.
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Stop blaming someone who hasn't been here for almost a year now. If Gase had to 'fix' this ****, then he should have had it done in training camp. The blame for these things lie solely with the individual, except allowing RT more offensive control. But the rest of this is on the player.
 
psfign said:
Stop blaming someone who hasn't been here for almost a year now. If Gase had to 'fix' this ****, then he should have had it done in training camp. The blame for these things lie solely with the individual, except allowing RT more offensive control. But the rest of this is on the player.
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Well now hold on here. For four years, posters on this site said that Joe Philbin's teams were soft, mentally weak, unmotivated, quick to give up, etc. In hindsight, I would have to agree with that.

I don't think you can expect the head coach to change all of that -- while installing a new and much more complex offense -- in just one offseason under this new CBA that greatly limits the amount of time that players can practice compared to how they used to be handled.

I also don't think you can say that "the blame for these things lie solely with the individual" if you also believe that coaching matters a lot, and that it is the job of the coaches to develop and help young players progress in their careers. I personally believe that is the case, so I think that we have to accept that the coach needs a little bit of time here.
 
psfign said:
Stop blaming someone who hasn't been here for almost a year now. If Gase had to 'fix' this ****, then he should have had it done in training camp. The blame for these things lie solely with the individual, except allowing RT more offensive control. But the rest of this is on the player.
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I do believe that Philbin does deserve the blame, but why not. I stipulate that Philbin is not to blame for the purpose of this discussion. Coach Gase is spending significant time on player maturity and professional conduct issues. Some of the issues that have occurred do not come up during training camp. The week in and week out grind in the NFL is significant. Some of these issues only show up under that pressure. Expecting them to be resolved during training camp is not reasonable.
 
I like Gase... I really do, but Philbin could be 1-2 as well....
This team is the same and that's what concerns me.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Well now hold on here. For four years, posters on this site said that Joe Philbin's teams were soft, mentally weak, unmotivated, quick to give up, etc. In hindsight, I would have to agree with that.

I don't think you can expect the head coach to change all of that -- while installing a new and much more complex offense -- in just one offseason under this new CBA that greatly limits the amount of time that players can practice compared to how they used to be handled.

I also don't think you can say that "the blame for these things lie solely with the individual" if you also believe that coaching matters a lot, and that it is the job of the coaches to develop and help young players progress in their careers. I personally believe that is the case, so I think that we have to accept that the coach needs a little bit of time here.
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I agree to an extent, but I don't think we can still blame him for the personality of this current team. I do think it takes a lil time to fully insert your offense and such, but putting the blame on Philbin for missed meetings, AJayi getting butthurt and DvPs health seems far fetched to me.
 
psfign said:
Stop blaming someone who hasn't been here for almost a year now. If Gase had to 'fix' this ****, then he should have had it done in training camp. The blame for these things lie solely with the individual, except allowing RT more offensive control. But the rest of this is on the player.
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I'm still blaming Jeff Ireland....<sarcasm>
 
Using Philbin as a scapegoat excuse really needs to stop.

Now the Tannenbaum shaming... THAT can continue until that POS is gone.
 
Mb33139 said:
Using Philbin as a scapegoat excuse really needs to stop.

Now the Tannenbaum shaming... THAT can continue until that POS is gone.
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He is not an excuse, but he impacted the development of young players. That was one of long list of reasons he is gone.
 
For people who remember the transition from Shula to JJ, there was a similar trend. JJ's first year, the team was still very Shula-esque for the time; bigger, slower, plodding, lacked speed on defense; low on defensive talent. By year 4, JJ had built a fast, attacking defense, that played ****y. While the offense never prospered under JJ, he did change the culture, built a fast competent defense. It was a slow but deliberate progression. If it takes Gase longer than three games, that won't surprise me. People want these changes overnight, and they just don't work that way, though we wish they would. He's got a lot of garbage to pick through. Hopefully the personnel dept. can see what needs to be done, dump and replace effectively.
 
multistage said:
Question is, will the FO let him?
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No, they won't. Tannenbum hasn't changed a bit from his days with the Jets. Throwing away draft picks, horrible judge of talent, and constantly pissing away the cap. Sometimes I think Ross is really trying to destroy this organization. How can he not see the harm he's doing to the team?
 
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