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jim1

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I remain amazed at the furor and salivation over Matt Flynn. Not only the thought of signing him to a long term deal paying roughly $14,000,000 a year, but the current twist as well, the added reach-around of possibly coughing up a 2nd rd pick for this one game wonder. Screw that.


No matter how one dissects it or attempts to justify it, this is a former 7th rd pick and one game wonder who has created a furor over one great game, a meaningless game for the Packers- I've heard the whole Lions avoiding the Saints argument, but as per Flynn and the Packers, the pressure was off in some ways, in other ways it was on in that Flynn had his opportunity to make a FA impression. No matter how you cut it, the Packers had nothing to lose in pumping up Flynn's value- now, low and behold, they might want a 2nd rd pick for his services? They can shove it.

Here's some food for thought as per Flynn and his marvelous one game, and to whether or not he's worth devoting $14,000,000 a year for and the nauseating prospect of throwing a much needed 2nd rd pick into the mix for him, a pick I'd much rather use on Brandon Weeden or Coby Fleener:

"Dolphins coach Joe Philbin, whose quarterback opinion carries great weight with GM Jeff Ireland, thinks highly of Green Bay’s Matt Flynn and Miami has interest in him if they don’t get Peyton Manning. But here’s a precautionary note pointed out to us about Flynn’s signature game (480 yards, six touchdowns against Detroit on Jan. 1): A lot of his damage was done against two defensive backs ranked in the bottom quarter of the league (Chris Harris and Alphonso Smith) and a cornerback (Chris Houston) who was limited that day because of injury. Plus, the Packers had 223 yards after catch."

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy

I've watched the key plays of that game and I'd like to see the whole thing, not sure how to find it. The first thing that I noticed, after recognizing that Flynn has an average arm, is how completely pumped up those stats were by his receivers' YAC, often turning some good passes into TDs, and how those receivers and Ryan Grant abused a crappy Lions secondary. That signature game, at first glance, didn't look so signature to me. If Flynn gets a huge contract out of this and the Packers get a 2nd rd pick, Flynn should be buying Range Rovers for Ryan Grant, Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, James Jones and Jermichael Finley. Color me unimpressed.

Judge for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHjJ2lipORQ
 
I agree, No backup QB is worth that much with limited playing time to look at. We dodged a bullet last season with Orton, hopefully the Fins are prudent with their decisions. Matt Moore did a good job last season, My take is we ride him as starter next season, draft a QB to groom.
As for Manning IF...... he is able to play again at a high level and he does not ask a kings ransom that could be a option as well. In feel there are other areas that need to be addresed, to get the Fins to the next level. They are 4-5 players away not just 1 QB.
 
I agree, No backup QB is worth that much with limited playing time to look at. We dodged a bullet last season with Orton, hopefully the Fins are prudent with their decisions. Matt Moore did a good job last season, My take is we ride him as starter next season, draft a QB to groom.
As for Manning IF...... he is able to play again at a high level and he does not ask a kings ransom that could be a option as well. In feel there are other areas that need to be addresed, to get the Fins to the next level. They are 4-5 players away not just 1 QB.

I agree. We NEED that 2nd pick, and regardless- I still see Moore to Flynn as a lateral move. This reminds me of the frothing at the mouth over Kyle f****** Orton last year, who was, of course, beaten out by Tebow and subsequently waived.

As to Matt Moore- dude had a pretty good year with a relatively crappy supporting cast, and while I'm no huge fan of his arm, he threw some passes that made me think, "damn, this dude can throw." He's mobile, accurate, he can play. Is he what you really want ideally at QB? No. But then neither is Matt Flynn, and he doesn't cost $14,000,000 a year and maybe a 2nd rd pick. I've made it clear who I really want us to draft as per QB, but serioulsy, use that 2nd rd pick on Coby Fleener if not a QB, or a quality OL, and one will be available at that slot for sure. This whole Matt Flynn love affair is just a curious phenomenon to me- again, much like Kyle Orton last year when the Broncos were pimping him and he looked good throwing during traing camp- sure enough it was Tebow who helped the Broncos win games, the division and beat the Steelers in the playoffs, not Kyle Orton.

Flynn is a significantly overvalued commodity right now, jmo of course.
 
Well, I'll respectfully argue your thinking. You make very valid points, trading high draft picks for unproven QB's is a VERY risky move. But, you're calling him a one-game wonder. It actually was two starts. Now, that's not a huge improvement. But when you look at those two games, he played against, not great defenses, but they WERE both playoff teams. He won both games. In those two starts, he posted a 9:2 TD:INT ratio and a 68% completion percentage. One of those games, was against Detroit. In that game, he put up 6 TD's. Granted, the Lions defense isn't that great, but Rodgers played against that same defense 5 weeks earlier, along with 14 other teams, and never put up 6 TDs.

Now, I'm not saying Flynn is better than Rodgers. IMO, there are NO quarterbacks better than Rodgers right now. But, he does have the ability to play. As far as his ability to be a franchise QB, I'll leave that decision up to Philbin. He's worked with him for 4 years, so if he trusts that he's worth the risk, then why doubt him?
 
Well, I'll respectfully argue your thinking. You make very valid points, trading high draft picks for unproven QB's is a VERY risky move. But, you're calling him a one-game wonder. It actually was two starts. Now, that's not a huge improvement. But when you look at those two games, he played against, not great defenses, but they WERE both playoff teams. He won both games. In those two starts, he posted a 9:2 TD:INT ratio and a 68% completion percentage. One of those games, was against Detroit. In that game, he put up 6 TD's. Granted, the Lions defense isn't that great, but Rodgers played against that same defense 5 weeks earlier, along with 14 other teams, and never put up 6 TDs.

Now, I'm not saying Flynn is better than Rodgers. IMO, there are NO quarterbacks better than Rodgers right now. But, he does have the ability to play. As far as his ability to be a franchise QB, I'll leave that decision up to Philbin. He's worked with him for 4 years, so if he trusts that he's worth the risk, then why doubt him?

There's logic there, too, and I've said before that if Philbin thinks that Flynn is worth it- so be it, he should know better than anyone. Personally I'm just not all that impressed by Flynn, especially at a high price, doubly so if he comes with a 2nd rd price tag. He just does not have a pedigree and body of work that justifies such a high cost and demand for his services- dude has been riding the pine for the better part of eight years.
 
While I am not sold on Flynn I can assure you that we wouldn't give him a contract of 14,000,000 per year. I am not sure why you would think it is going to be anywhere near that high. I believe the franchise amount might be around that, but that is the average of the top 5 QBs in the league.
 
When deciding to aquire Flynn, I think you take his best NFL start and his worst NFL start and throw it out the window.
What you have left is you are getting.
I am not so sure he is worth the money and a high pick.
IMHO, he looks like a glorified back up that racked up some stats in a blowout win.
 
There's logic there, too, and I've said before that if Philbin thinks that Flynn is worth it- so be it, he should know better than anyone. Personally I'm just not all that impressed by Flynn, especially at a high price, doubly so if he comes with a 2nd rd price tag. He just does not have a pedigree and body of work that justifies such a high cost and demand for his services- dude has been riding the pine for the better part of eight years.

...He's only been in the NFL for 4 years, behind Aaron Rodgers
 
I dont want him. We have Matt Moore on $2m a year.......which is a bargain. I would rather draft Tannehill or even Osweiler and let them sit under Philbin and Sherman for a year.
 
...He's only been in the NFL for 4 years, behind Aaron Rodgers

...and he rode the pine for three years at LSU behind Jamarcus Russell on top of that. Not a whole lot of real game football in the last eight years.
 
I dont want him. We have Matt Moore on $2m a year.......which is a bargain. I would rather draft Tannehill or even Osweiler and let them sit under Philbin and Sherman for a year.

I won't argue with that either. If we do decide to draft our future QB, I'd be ok with that, as long as we add a solid edge rusher in FA.
 
three things...you're not gonna be payin flynn $14 mil a year average in this contract...and i disagree with your assessment of how flynn played in the lions game...and finally it shouldn't matter anymore that flynn rode the pine at lsu...all that matters is what you do as a pro when you get your opportunity...no ones considering flynn as a pro cause of what he did in college from a production stand point
 
Philbin KNOWS what Flynn is worth. Sherman KNOWS what Tannehill is worth. Assuming they and Ireland collaborate, I think the Dolphins are in a pretty good position to make an educated choice. And I don't necessarily mean either/or, it could be no to both.
 
If Green Bay tries to get cute and tags Flynn, they may get left holding a very expensive bag- I don't see them gambling on it. The truth is, some desperate team might be willing to overpay him as a free-agent, but no way does anyone give up a high pick AND overpay. Peyton and the Colts won't part ways until the deadline, then there will be a lot of smoke there, so GB won't be able to command the market.

Bottom line is that Philbin is the best guy possible to put a value on Flynn, so if we take him, it means our new HC is willing to bet his career on him. Sherman is probably the best guy in the nfl to decide Tannehill's value. Matt Moore won 2/3 of his games last year. I think we're in better shape than any of the other qb needy teams (aside from Colts). I'm looking forward to seeing it play out.
 
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