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Sure, the team is not doing well. Meanwhile, amid all the calls for Tannehill's head, Miami's offense is ranked 14 in Football Outsider's superb rankings (the defense is 25, ST are 21). Is that great and awesome? No. But the Bears are ranked 12, the Giants 13, the Chargers 15 and the Falcons 17. That's four QBs that, no matter what you think of them, have grown old as starters in this league and all of them have experienced various degrees of success at some point of their careers.

If we had a decent OL and a OC who actually belonged in the pros, we'd be much higher than that. My opinion is that fans everywhere are too reactive against the QB. If you want to blame proven incompetence, why not start at the very top with Ross. Incompetence begets incompetence begets incompetence. Therefore, Ross -> Tannenbaum -> Philbin. It's hard, if not impossible, for a few good players to reverse that on their own. Sure, Tannebaum didn't bring in Philbin. But neither did Hickey. Hickey was being competent and that did not stand well with Ross. Made him uncomfortable, all that building through the draft/low-key FA. Better to bring in a guy who'll spend millions in FA even though that's a proven formula for mediocrity.

Who's ever built a champion through FA in the NFL? Nobody. It doesn't work. But it's flashy and it revolves around terms a millionaire like Ross can understand: buying knows commodities. Gives him a sense of control, even if it's not real. In a salary-cap world, the better FAs carry a hidden price tag that is almost always higher than their real value to a team. The hidden price tag is the players you could have kept or signed otherwise but can no longer keep or sign because of cap space (we'll learn much about this next year). That's why the real good teams build their core through the draft and only add the final few pieces through FA.

Anyway, blame the organization, not the QB. Tannehill is plenty good enough.
 
No way the Dolphins offense is anywhere near 14th. I'm sorry but whatever site came up with that number is flawed. We are 25th in yards per game and 27th in scoring per game on offense. How anyone can get 14 out of those two is beyond me. Add to that fact in 8 of the 10 games we have scored 20 points or less. The average scored per game is 23.5. The offense has really only given us a good chance to win twice this year. There have been 163 games played this year. 31 times that 20 points has been enough to win (19% of the time) The Dolphins have 2 of those 31 wins in 8 tries. (25%)
Our yards per play is ranked higher but it is mostly due to garbage yards at the end of games when the opposite team has a 2 score lead and is willing to give up yards in exchange for time running off the clock.
 
The only stat that matters is points per game and we struggle to hang twenty most of the time... That's not gonna cut it.
 
For that kind of thing, they're the best stats out there. They consider strength of opposition and the relative value of yards depending on the down and distance and game situation. All stats are flawed, of course. Even points and wins.
 
For that kind of thing, they're the best stats out there. They consider strength of opposition and the relative value of yards depending on the down and distance and game situation. All stats are flawed, of course. Even points and wins.

Just don't see how you get 14 out of what we have seen this year from our offense. Do you agree with 14 ranking or are you just the messenger?
 
The only stat that matters is points per game and we struggle to hang twenty most of the time... That's not gonna cut it.

Yep you have to score to win in today's NFL

In the 163 games played if you don't score the league average (23.5) this is the results to date. Notice what happens when you get to 24 points.

Points scored - (W/L record)(Winning %)

<9 - (0-20) (0%)
10 - (3-16) (16%)
12 - (1-2) (33%)
13 - (2-15) (12%)
14 - (1-11) (8%)
15 - (0-1) (0%)
16 - (5-5) (50%)
17 - (5-11) (31%)
18 - (3-4) (43%)
19 - (3-7) (30%)
20 - (8-21) (28%)
21 - (1-8) (11%)
22 - (4-2) (67%)
23 - (7-7) (50%)
24 - (16-5) (76%)
 
For that kind of thing, they're the best stats out there. They consider strength of opposition and the relative value of yards depending on the down and distance and game situation. All stats are flawed, of course. Even points and wins.

I am sorry but wins is not flawed. Ultimately it is the only stat that matters.
 
14th really?! where you get this? Last time i checked it was more like 27th.
 
This offense is putrid. How are they raked 14?


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You can try to sugar coat it all you want. Wins and losses is how a team is judged. Stop with the bull**** already
 
Getting garbage time yards might make the stats look better but are ultimately meaningless.
 
This team is awful on both sides of the ball.the coaching staff sux and I don't think the ownership has a free king vlue
 
This entire team sucks. Mike Zimmer would have been the coach and Brandon Marshall would have still been on the team if I was the GM
 
Just don't see how you get 14 out of what we have seen this year from our offense. Do you agree with 14 ranking or are you just the messenger?

I'm just the messenger. The Houston and TEN games are probably bringing the average up. I still think the post is accurate in general, though.

I am sorry but wins is not flawed. Ultimately it is the only stat that matters.

Wins are flawed because good times sometimes lose because of bad breaks and bad teams win. There's lucky bounces of the ball, injuries, mistakes by the officials, etc. I think we can all agree sometimes a team wins with "smoke and mirrors" or a bad team is much better than its record.


So... no comments about the rest of the post, anyone? I think Ross dooms this franchise unless we get awfully lucky.
 
Wins are flawed because good times sometimes lose because of bad breaks and bad teams win. There's lucky bounces of the ball, injuries, mistakes by the officials, etc. I think we can all agree sometimes a team wins with "smoke and mirrors" or a bad team is much better than its record.

Good teams don't get into situations where a single lucky bounce of the ball or mistake by a referee are the difference between winning or losing. Injuries are a test of depth which is a characteristic of good teams. So once again, wins are the only statistic that matters.
 
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