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some of this comes from all the matt ryan threads.
some just from my opinion that some people on here use the phrase franchise qb, a bit loosely.

(discosures to avoid controversy.)
1. yes I like matt ryan
2. yes I think the int argument is overblown
3. no I don't want to take him at #1


franchise qbs.

taking a quick look at the 32 teams in the nfl, how many do you suppose possess TRUE franchise qb's. guys who will be there for there career, and guys you wouldn't trade no matter what. true born leaders, who have premium skills, guys that a team couldn't live without.

does winning superbowl make you a franchise qb? I don't think so.

nfc east...

seems to me dallas think romo is a franchise guy. hasn't proved a thing to me yet.

philly... has mcnabb, he's been there awhile, but no rings. you could say he has been a franchise qb imo.

giants, I don't think eli's a franchise guy. two or three months ago, I think you would be hardpressed to find someone who thought we should trade for this guy at all costs.

redskins... campbell is decent, but no better than a lot of guys in the league.

NFC West
of the four teams I would say only matt hasselbeck Could be considered a franchise qb.
leinhart,smith and bulger.. no.


NFC north and south
bears, lions, falcons,vikings,bucs.... no franchise qb.

saints... brees is a guy I could handle building around. but is he really a franchise qb, chargers let him go. whos to say the saints wont.

panthers... delhomme, still not really a franchise guy imo. there are much better qb's out there.

afc east/west

brady... obvious.
russell... remains to be seen.
rivers... remains to be seen.

jets, dolphins, bills, absolutley not.

jay cutler, may turn into one. but again in comparison to matt ryan, he wasn't a franchise guy when drafted, but may become one.

AFC south/north

petyon... for sure.
palmer... certainly
Big Ben... perhaps.

derek anderson. who knows, sure looked good last year.

ravens texans... definately do not have a franchise guy.

titans.. this is probably 50/50 depending on what you think a qb needs to be able to do. I would say he is above average.

jacksonville is tricky... again, not when drafted but garrard could turn into a franchise qb.


my point is, sometimes a guy morphs into the franchise guy.

there are the trent dilfers of the world who win superbowls, but are they really francise guys?

a true franchise guy doesn't come around very often. a guy who is nfl ready to start day one, is hard to come by.

so what is your opinion of a franchise guy?
 
Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Carson Palmer, Steven Mcnair (was), Tony Romo, Donnavan McNabb, Eli Manning, Brett Favre, Drew Brees are all Franchise quarterbacks. They are all good enough to build a team around. Eli Manning is a good quarterback. It took him four years to win a super bowl, and wether the Giants defense won that game for them or not, it was the offense that marched down that field, with very little time left, and took the lead to win. Eli is a leader despite what the media or disgruntled Tiki says... ask any of the Giants this year.

Vince Young, Jemarcus Russel - should become franchise quarterbacks. Wehter or not they will is yet to be seen. Young has shown flashes of greatness, but it takes a few years in most cases before you really know what you get out of a quarterback.

Derek Anderson could become one. He has the tools, and the leadership. He could be the next Tom Brady story of a quarterback coming out of nowhere. I hope he does, from everything I've seen in interviews of the guy he seems like a very stand up guy, and Cleveland deserves to have a winner again.
 
Nice post 2413. I agree that a franchise QB is the most important position to fill. I may disagree a little on some of the QBs you have but I understand your point. I think there are basically three categories for QBs 1)franchise 2)too early to tell 3) game managers. I dont include the horrible category because they usually disappear into the ranks of backups pretty quickly.

Your main point is very important however. If you look at the rosters of all teams you realize how difficult it is to find that franchise QB. That's why I feel until you "know" that you have one you draft them if available to you
 
2413fanphins said:
some of this comes from all the matt ryan threads.
some just from my opinion that some people on here use the phrase franchise qb, a bit loosely.

(discosures to avoid controversy.)
1. yes I like matt ryan
2. yes I think the int argument is overblown
3. no I don't want to take him at #1


franchise qbs.

taking a quick look at the 32 teams in the nfl, how many do you suppose possess TRUE franchise qb's. guys who will be there for there career, and guys you wouldn't trade no matter what. true born leaders, who have premium skills, guys that a team couldn't live without.

does winning superbowl make you a franchise qb? I don't think so.

nfc east...

seems to me dallas think romo is a franchise guy. hasn't proved a thing to me yet.

philly... has mcnabb, he's been there awhile, but no rings. you could say he has been a franchise qb imo.

giants, I don't think eli's a franchise guy. two or three months ago, I think you would be hardpressed to find someone who thought we should trade for this guy at all costs.

redskins... campbell is decent, but no better than a lot of guys in the league.

NFC West
of the four teams I would say only matt hasselbeck Could be considered a franchise qb.
leinhart,smith and bulger.. no.


NFC north and south
bears, lions, falcons,vikings,bucs.... no franchise qb.

saints... brees is a guy I could handle building around. but is he really a franchise qb, chargers let him go. whos to say the saints wont.

panthers... delhomme, still not really a franchise guy imo. there are much better qb's out there.

afc east/west

brady... obvious.
russell... remains to be seen.
rivers... remains to be seen.

jets, dolphins, bills, absolutley not.

jay cutler, may turn into one. but again in comparison to matt ryan, he wasn't a franchise guy when drafted, but may become one.

AFC south/north

petyon... for sure.
palmer... certainly
Big Ben... perhaps.

derek anderson. who knows, sure looked good last year.

ravens texans... definately do not have a franchise guy.

titans.. this is probably 50/50 depending on what you think a qb needs to be able to do. I would say he is above average.

jacksonville is tricky... again, not when drafted but garrard could turn into a franchise qb.


my point is, sometimes a guy morphs into the franchise guy.

there are the trent dilfers of the world who win superbowls, but are they really francise guys?

a true franchise guy doesn't come around very often. a guy who is nfl ready to start day one, is hard to come by.

so what is your opinion of a franchise guy?
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to me a "Franchise" QB is someone who lifts the guys around him to do more than they think they can do. A true leader who has special qualitys that you can't put a name to, always.

There are 3 QB's who earn the title of Franchise playing today: Brett Farve, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady.

There are several QB's that are good and could become "Franchise": Big Ben, Eli, Carson, and Jay. Maybe Rivers too, if he ever grows up.

After that we have several QB's that are good but will never be of the quality that will in and of themselves rise above to take control of a game or a team. Brees, Hasselbeck, and McNabb.

Of the rest some are rookies (and we don't know enough to say just how good/bad they will be), some are serviceable and some are just down right bad.

Now if you want to tell me that any of the QB's in this upcoming draft are "Franchise" I beg to differ. There are none and to be honest there are several drafts where any of these guys wouldn't even in the top 3 rounds, in my humble opinion.

Overall a good post.
 
2413fanphins said:
some of this comes from all the matt ryan threads.
some just from my opinion that some people on here use the phrase franchise qb, a bit loosely.

(discosures to avoid controversy.)
1. yes I like matt ryan
2. yes I think the int argument is overblown
3. no I don't want to take him at #1


franchise qbs.

taking a quick look at the 32 teams in the nfl, how many do you suppose possess TRUE franchise qb's. guys who will be there for there career, and guys you wouldn't trade no matter what. true born leaders, who have premium skills, guys that a team couldn't live without.

does winning superbowl make you a franchise qb? I don't think so.

nfc east...

seems to me dallas think romo is a franchise guy. hasn't proved a thing to me yet.

philly... has mcnabb, he's been there awhile, but no rings. you could say he has been a franchise qb imo.

giants, I don't think eli's a franchise guy. two or three months ago, I think you would be hardpressed to find someone who thought we should trade for this guy at all costs.

redskins... campbell is decent, but no better than a lot of guys in the league.

NFC West
of the four teams I would say only matt hasselbeck Could be considered a franchise qb.
leinhart,smith and bulger.. no.


NFC north and south
bears, lions, falcons,vikings,bucs.... no franchise qb.

saints... brees is a guy I could handle building around. but is he really a franchise qb, chargers let him go. whos to say the saints wont.

panthers... delhomme, still not really a franchise guy imo. there are much better qb's out there.

afc east/west

brady... obvious.
russell... remains to be seen.
rivers... remains to be seen.

jets, dolphins, bills, absolutley not.

jay cutler, may turn into one. but again in comparison to matt ryan, he wasn't a franchise guy when drafted, but may become one.

AFC south/north

petyon... for sure.
palmer... certainly
Big Ben... perhaps.

derek anderson. who knows, sure looked good last year.

ravens texans... definately do not have a franchise guy.

titans.. this is probably 50/50 depending on what you think a qb needs to be able to do. I would say he is above average.

jacksonville is tricky... again, not when drafted but garrard could turn into a franchise qb.


my point is, sometimes a guy morphs into the franchise guy.

there are the trent dilfers of the world who win superbowls, but are they really francise guys?

a true franchise guy doesn't come around very often. a guy who is nfl ready to start day one, is hard to come by.

so what is your opinion of a franchise guy?
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We need to draft Matt Ryan. End of discussion. :up:
 
MrEd said:
We need to draft Matt Ryan. End of discussion. :up:
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This was the point I was trying to make. The thread starter, although I disagree with him on some of the labels of certain guys, makes the point that few teams in this league are "set" at QB. The talent pool is lacking.

So why not draft Matt Ryan. I think he cant miss. And heck, even if Beck turns into the player that some around here think he is, then we will have 2 guys and the market value on a good QB is through the roof. The return on investment would be a huge gain if both are good players. If we have 2, chances are one of them will turn into the player we need at QB. And if both of them pan out we can get a nice pair of picks for their services.

Drafting Ryan is a good way to sure up our QB position. The only thing that hurts is Becks value was diminshed by his performance last season. If he had stayed on the bench and we take Ryan, we could probably get a first round pick or more out of Beck just by talking him up.
 
Nobody is going to trade a 1rst round pick for Beck... nobody is going to trade a 1rst round pick for Brady Quinn either.
 
The next franchise QB is Jay Cutler(still pisses me off that instead of trading that second for culpepper we didn't go after him in a trade up scenario)
 
2413fanphins said:
some of this comes from all the matt ryan threads.
some just from my opinion that some people on here use the phrase franchise qb, a bit loosely.

(discosures to avoid controversy.)
1. yes I like matt ryan
2. yes I think the int argument is overblown
3. no I don't want to take him at #1


franchise qbs.

taking a quick look at the 32 teams in the nfl, how many do you suppose possess TRUE franchise qb's. guys who will be there for there career, and guys you wouldn't trade no matter what. true born leaders, who have premium skills, guys that a team couldn't live without.

does winning superbowl make you a franchise qb? I don't think so.

nfc east...

seems to me dallas think romo is a franchise guy. hasn't proved a thing to me yet.

philly... has mcnabb, he's been there awhile, but no rings. you could say he has been a franchise qb imo.

giants, I don't think eli's a franchise guy. two or three months ago, I think you would be hardpressed to find someone who thought we should trade for this guy at all costs.

redskins... campbell is decent, but no better than a lot of guys in the league.

NFC West
of the four teams I would say only matt hasselbeck Could be considered a franchise qb.
leinhart,smith and bulger.. no.


NFC north and south
bears, lions, falcons,vikings,bucs.... no franchise qb.

saints... brees is a guy I could handle building around. but is he really a franchise qb, chargers let him go. whos to say the saints wont.

panthers... delhomme, still not really a franchise guy imo. there are much better qb's out there.

afc east/west

brady... obvious.
russell... remains to be seen.
rivers... remains to be seen.

jets, dolphins, bills, absolutley not.

jay cutler, may turn into one. but again in comparison to matt ryan, he wasn't a franchise guy when drafted, but may become one.

AFC south/north

petyon... for sure.
palmer... certainly
Big Ben... perhaps.

derek anderson. who knows, sure looked good last year.

ravens texans... definately do not have a franchise guy.

titans.. this is probably 50/50 depending on what you think a qb needs to be able to do. I would say he is above average.

jacksonville is tricky... again, not when drafted but garrard could turn into a franchise qb.


my point is, sometimes a guy morphs into the franchise guy.

there are the trent dilfers of the world who win superbowls, but are they really francise guys?

a true franchise guy doesn't come around very often. a guy who is nfl ready to start day one, is hard to come by.

so what is your opinion of a franchise guy?
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Some of this thread is good, like saying Atlanta, Bucs, Vikes really dont have franchise guys. Some of this thread I dont agree with at all...

Here is some of my take on this

-Marc Bulger isnt a franchise QB? Sorry but I disagree on this one. Bulger IS a franchise QB.
-The only reason the chargers let Brees go is because of Rivers. Brees IS franchise QB
-Big Ben, Perhaps??? Did you see the season he had this year. Rothliesburger IS a franchise QB

EDIT: Romo hasnt shown you anything??? I guess QB ratings of 95 and 97 respectively and consecutive pro bowls dont mean anything to you?
 
dolpns13 said:
Some of this thread is good, like saying Atlanta, Bucs, Vikes really dont have franchise guys. Some of this thread is absolutely nuts though man...

-You dont think Bulger is a franchise QB? Sorry but your nuts on this one. Bulger IS a franchise QB.
-The only reason the chargers let Brees go is because of Rivers. Brees IS franchise QB
-Big Ben, Perhaps??? Did you see the season he had this year. Rothliesburger IS a franchise QB
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WVdolphan said:
This was the point I was trying to make. The thread starter, although I disagree with him on some of the labels of certain guys, makes the point that few teams in this league are "set" at QB. The talent pool is lacking.

So why not draft Matt Ryan. I think he cant miss. And heck, even if Beck turns into the player that some around here think he is, then we will have 2 guys and the market value on a good QB is through the roof. The return on investment would be a huge gain if both are good players. If we have 2, chances are one of them will turn into the player we need at QB. And if both of them pan out we can get a nice pair of picks for their services.

Drafting Ryan is a good way to sure up our QB position. The only thing that hurts is Becks value was diminshed by his performance last season. If he had stayed on the bench and we take Ryan, we could probably get a first round pick or more out of Beck just by talking him up.
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we should draft matt ryan... also part of the point I was trying to make.

how many times in the lifetime of a franchise are they going to have the #1 pick.

how many times is surefire franchise qb going to be sitting there waiting for you to select him? not very often.

most of these guys including brett favre, were not franchise qb's the day they were drafted. matt ryan is the highest ranked qb, by 98% of the experts out there. if matt ryan isn't a future franchise qb, and is said to be better than the rest, (not by all obviously), than how will any other qb be a franchise guy.

I think the odds off matt ryan being a great nfl qb, are far greater than the odds of him not being one. most sensible people agree with me.

some don't and thats there prerogative, no matter what the basis of there opinion is.
 
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