Frerotte play by play analysis

[GRYPHONK]

Ok I did a completely unbiased play by play of Gus Frerotte. Noting some of his outstanding plays and his horrible plays.

After reading how some of you say he looks poised on the deep ball, looks better in the pocket and how he is so much better then Feeley I had to move it here. I originally posted it on the ESPN site.

Now this is not to say that Feeley or Frerotte is better. This is simply fact nothing more nothing less. The facts show that in less time Feeley was more productive with the 1st string offense then Frerotte was. He was more accurate and moved the chains though the air more. Frerotte moved the chains once through passing and the only scoring drive was all Ricky none of Frerotte. Here it is

Ok so far I will be as harsh on Frerotte as some of u are on Feeley.

Good first play nice play action for a couple yard gain.

Horrible play action. First he completely aligator armed the PA FAKE making it plain as day it was a fake and Deon Grant before Frerotte turned to roll to the left Grant was already heading that way. So horrible fake. The pass I won't touch. He threw to far outside, but you can't blame him for not making an accurate throw on that.

3rd play- Where is this amazing pocket pressence everyone including myself talked about it. 4 defenders got their hands on him and he still didn't step up.

LOL

This is how ridiculous some of you critiscized Feeley. So I will harshly critique him the rest of the game like some do Feeley.

ok second drive.

2nd AND 6- Nice pass to Chambers. Perfectly thrown. However from the moment of the snap he locked right onto Chambers.

Next pass play. The long one to Chambers. It was yet another half hearted play fake, however it was a beautifully throw pass. It really was. It would have hit Chambers in stride. It was just a great play by the defender.

Next pass play 3rd and 8- Horribly overthrown and almost picked off.

After 2 drives he has been horribly ineffective and hasn't moved the chains. Yet to get a 1st down.

At this point last week Feeley had already gotten 2 1st downs with a nice mid range pass.

ok I will update after the 3rd drive lol

ok 3rd drive

1st and 10 nicely executed reverse by Chambers and Frerotte an 11 yard gain.

1st and 10- HB TOss to Ricky right for 5 yards.
2nd and 5- WOW NICE PLAY BY FREROTTE. He eludes the rush and steps up. Makes a high but nice throw to Chambers. He gets leveled ball knocks lose, on the ground Chambers reaches up and catches the ball. Great play by frerotte and CHambers

1st and 10- Very nice play action left. This time delayed the rush. Rolled out once again overthrew his target. Like I said he overthrew alot last week on the deep balls.

2nd and 10- Ricky runs for 7 yards. Excellent Blocking.

3rd and 3- Horrible play by Frerotte. Frerotte rolls out right and neglects to correctly read Gilbert who immediately hit Ricky for a 1 yard loss. It was a shovel pass.

OK now it's a punt cya next drive lol

By the way Feeley had more passing yards on his 1st attempt then Frerotte has so far.

I would also like to add that it is obvious Linehan is calling a more passer friendly plan both last week and tonight with Frerotte then with Feeley just making a note.

4th drive

1st and 10- LOL ANOTHER HORRIBLY OVERTHROWN pass to McMichaels

2nd and 10- NICE RUN BY RICKY- He runs, stutters to get lost behind defenders then runs left for 9 yards.

3rd and 1- Pitch to Ricky- Defender has him stopped. Makes a juke move picks up 10 yards does another juke to elude a defender. Picks up about 18 yards.

Ricky looks great so far. 4 rushes for 34 yards.

LOL Like I said those of you critiscizing his 5 carries for 8 yards need to just recognize and let the preseason play out lol.

1st and 10- on the 36. Surprise surprise Chambers is wide open and Frerotte overthrows the pass again would have been a TD if thrown right.

2nd and 10- Morris for a 3 yard gain.

3rd and 7- Ok nice actually perfect pass to Welker for a 14 yard gain, however illegal formation and play is called back- Nice pass by Frerotte

3rd and 12- Nice pass he checked off to Morris and Morris does a superman over his defender to get the 1st. Gain of 13

1st and 10- Ricky up middle for 3 yards.

2nd and 7- Half step drop quick and nice pass to Boston. 7 yard gain.

Oh yeah, commentator are praising Ricky right now lol.

1st and 10- Rikcy up middle for 2 yards.

2nd and 8- LOL. Horrible pass. Frerotte thought he could throw it through 2 defenders. Only problem there was no WR there. Should have been intercepted.

3rd and 8 on the 11- GOOD GOD. Welker has a step on his DB in the end zone and Frerotte throws to far to the sideline missing his 4th opportunity for a big play.

Mare 21 yard FG. 7-3 Jaguars

 

[1334]

very nice analysis, but neither quarterback is very good. There is no reason to argue who is better, who sucks, etc. Hopefully one of them will NOT lose the game for us. That's what we need out of either one of them.

 

[WitheringPlant]

When you have 8 "lol"s in a play by play analysis, you kinda lose credability.

 

[Dudeman]

When you have 8 "lol"s in a play by play analysis, you kinda lose credability.

when a Feeley supporter does a play by play of a QB he doesnt like, he kinda loses credibility as well

 

[MDFINFAN]

Thanks for the analysis, I'll see the game today on the nfl network..Now people will hopefully understand why some us would prefer just to take the chance with Feeley growing with this O..Gus knows it and should have out distance Feeley a long time ago, but hasn't, that's why I say the upside is with AJ, keep this close while learning on the fly.

 

[GRYPHONK]

very nice analysis, but neither quarterback is very good. There is no reason to argue who is better, who sucks, etc. Hopefully one of them will NOT lose the game for us. That's what we need out of either one of them.

Oh no doubt. Niether QB is playing well at this point.

To me I am gonna support whichever QB is starting.

It just honestly seems like many fans are still stuck in the "Any QB other then our current starter is better" mode.

Fiedler got bashed for not finishing off drives and settling for FG'S. When a WR made a nice adjustment and caught the pass Fiedler got bashed for not putting the ball on the money. When Fiedler constantly overthrew on the deep ball he was critiscized. When Fiedler threw a pass that should have been picked off he got bashed yet again.

Everything that Fiedler did Frerotte is doing. Exactly to a key. Yet some wanna praise him and deem him so mych better.

 

[GRYPHONK]

when a Feeley supporter does a play by play of a QB he doesnt like, he kinda loses credibility as well

LOL Typical. If you actually read it you would see that their was plenty of praise on their for Frerotte as well. He made some very nice throws and reads.

But of course when someone shows facts that u don't wanna hear all of a sudden I lose credibility.

 

[GRYPHONK]

When you have 8 "lol"s in a play by play analysis, you kinda lose credability.

So by me saying LOL that all of a sudden means he didn't overthrow Chambers. He didn't throw to far to the outside to Welker. Had both plays been thrown on target they would have been TD'S.

Does me saying LOL mean that Frerotte didn't make some excellent play action passes that I noted. Does it mean that he really didn't make a nice read in the pocket, adjusted and made a perfect pass to Chambers?

Like I said, if you have a problem with the LOL I could care less.

The fact is that is how the plays went. You can deny it all you want simply because the facts don't show what you have in your fantasy world.

I don't dislike Frerotte. I like him. I just was never impressed with his 1 1/2 game performance with the Vikings nor was I impressed with his less then average career.

So because I didn't get all dreamy over the guy when he came over here and overhyped and made everything he did better then it really was, does that mean I do't like the guy.

I have stated countless times both QB'S are even at this point.

Frerotte looks more comfortable where as Feeley makes the better throws.

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

when a Feeley supporter does a play by play of a QB he doesnt like, he kinda loses credibility as well

He never said he didn't like Frerotte. You are an A.J. Feeley hater, plain and simple. You have said that you don't hate him, you only support Frerotte, but you constantly bash the guy. You think that everyone who supports Feeley is blind. And I will be the first to admit that Feeley has been struggling so far, but Frerotte hasn't done much better.

 

[adamprez2003]

great breakdown. i keep hearing about his great pocket presence but he takes some of the worst sacks ive ever seen. that one on his first drive against the bears on 3rd down was absolutuely pathetic. there are 90 year old grandmas in walkers who couldve given a better effort at escaping. and thanks for pointing out the fact that his accuracy comes and goes on a regular basis, which is the primary reason he's been a career backup. I realize that many here were so blinded by his brilliant pocket presence that the fact he cant throw accurately on a reliable basis might have slipped by. I also like the fact that - gasp - he too occasionally locks onto his receivers. I also agree that we should from here on out judge frerotte by the same standards that feeley is judged which is critique every single flaw and cover up every positive (i realize you broke down and did include his good plays and throws but from here on out i think this will be my approach with just frerotte.

 

[GRYPHONK]

He never said he didn't like Frerotte. You are an A.J. Feeley hater, plain and simple. You have said that you don't hate him, you only support Frerotte, but you constantly bash the guy. You think that everyone who supports Feeley is blind. And I will be the first to admit that Feeley has been struggling so far, but Frerotte hasn't done much better.

That is all I am trying to say.

There is no clear cut winner. Niether has shown he is better then the other. IMO Feeley played better with the 1st stringers, but I admit that may be a little biased.

It's just that people need to calm down and realize Frerotte has done nothing for people to say Feeley is done.

Either way, whichever QB wins I am gonna support. Saban will make the right decision and it will be an unbiased one.

 

[caneproud117]

Ok I did a completely unbiased play by play of Gus Frerotte. Noting some of his outstanding plays and his horrible plays.

After reading how some of you say he looks poised on the deep ball, looks better in the pocket and how he is so much better then Feeley I had to move it here. I originally posted it on the ESPN site.

Now this is not to say that Feeley or Frerotte is better. This is simply fact nothing more nothing less. The facts show that in less time Feeley was more productive with the 1st string offense then Frerotte was. He was more accurate and moved the chains though the air more. Frerotte moved the chains once through passing and the only scoring drive was all Ricky none of Frerotte. Here it is

Ok so far I will be as harsh on Frerotte as some of u are on Feeley.

Good first play nice play action for a couple yard gain.

Horrible play action. First he completely aligator armed the PA FAKE making it plain as day it was a fake and Deon Grant before Frerotte turned to roll to the left Grant was already heading that way. So horrible fake. The pass I won't touch. He threw to far outside, but you can't blame him for not making an accurate throw on that.

3rd play- Where is this amazing pocket pressence everyone including myself talked about it. 4 defenders got their hands on him and he still didn't step up.

LOL

This is how ridiculous some of you critiscized Feeley. So I will harshly critique him the rest of the game like some do Feeley.

ok second drive.

2nd AND 6- Nice pass to Chambers. Perfectly thrown. However from the moment of the snap he locked right onto Chambers.

Next pass play. The long one to Chambers. It was yet another half hearted play fake, however it was a beautifully throw pass. It really was. It would have hit Chambers in stride. It was just a great play by the defender.

Next pass play 3rd and 8- Horribly overthrown and almost picked off.

After 2 drives he has been horribly ineffective and hasn't moved the chains. Yet to get a 1st down.

At this point last week Feeley had already gotten 2 1st downs with a nice mid range pass.

ok I will update after the 3rd drive lol

ok 3rd drive

1st and 10 nicely executed reverse by Chambers and Frerotte an 11 yard gain.

1st and 10- HB TOss to Ricky right for 5 yards.
2nd and 5- WOW NICE PLAY BY FREROTTE. He eludes the rush and steps up. Makes a high but nice throw to Chambers. He gets leveled ball knocks lose, on the ground Chambers reaches up and catches the ball. Great play by frerotte and CHambers

1st and 10- Very nice play action left. This time delayed the rush. Rolled out once again overthrew his target. Like I said he overthrew alot last week on the deep balls.

2nd and 10- Ricky runs for 7 yards. Excellent Blocking.

3rd and 3- Horrible play by Frerotte. Frerotte rolls out right and neglects to correctly read Gilbert who immediately hit Ricky for a 1 yard loss. It was a shovel pass.

OK now it's a punt cya next drive lol

By the way Feeley had more passing yards on his 1st attempt then Frerotte has so far.

I would also like to add that it is obvious Linehan is calling a more passer friendly plan both last week and tonight with Frerotte then with Feeley just making a note.

4th drive

1st and 10- LOL ANOTHER HORRIBLY OVERTHROWN pass to McMichaels

2nd and 10- NICE RUN BY RICKY- He runs, stutters to get lost behind defenders then runs left for 9 yards.

3rd and 1- Pitch to Ricky- Defender has him stopped. Makes a juke move picks up 10 yards does another juke to elude a defender. Picks up about 18 yards.

Ricky looks great so far. 4 rushes for 34 yards.

LOL Like I said those of you critiscizing his 5 carries for 8 yards need to just recognize and let the preseason play out lol.

1st and 10- on the 36. Surprise surprise Chambers is wide open and Frerotte overthrows the pass again would have been a TD if thrown right.

2nd and 10- Morris for a 3 yard gain.

3rd and 7- Ok nice actually perfect pass to Welker for a 14 yard gain, however illegal formation and play is called back- Nice pass by Frerotte

3rd and 12- Nice pass he checked off to Morris and Morris does a superman over his defender to get the 1st. Gain of 13

1st and 10- Ricky up middle for 3 yards.

2nd and 7- Half step drop quick and nice pass to Boston. 7 yard gain.

Oh yeah, commentator are praising Ricky right now lol.

1st and 10- Rikcy up middle for 2 yards.

2nd and 8- LOL. Horrible pass. Frerotte thought he could throw it through 2 defenders. Only problem there was no WR there. Should have been intercepted.

3rd and 8 on the 11- GOOD GOD. Welker has a step on his DB in the end zone and Frerotte throws to far to the sideline missing his 4th opportunity for a big play.

Mare 21 yard FG. 7-3 Jaguars

For future reference you probably shouldn't be laughing at the guy you're criticing when he messes up and call yourself unbiased. See where I'm going with this?

 

[GRYPHONK]

great breakdown. i keep hearing about his great pocket presence but he takes some of the worst sacks ive ever seen. that one on his first drive against the bears on 3rd down was absolutuely pathetic. there are 90 year old grandmas in walkers who couldve given a better effort at escaping. and thanks for pointing out the fact that his accuracy comes and goes on a regular basis, which is the primary reason he's been a career backup. I realize that many here were so blinded by his brilliant pocket presence that the fact he cant throw accurately on a reliable basis might have slipped by. I also like the fact that - gasp - he too occasionally locks onto his receivers. I also agree that we should from here on out judge frerotte by the same standards that feeley is judged which is critique every single flaw and cover up every positive (i realize you broke down and did include his good plays and throws but from here on out i think this will be my approach with just frerotte.

Thank you. That was another point I was trying to make.

Whether you are a Frerotte lover or A Feeley lover they gotta be critiqued the same way. The same bad play cannot be bad for Feeley but yet ok for Frerotte or vice versa. Hold the same standards.

I don't care how they do with the 2nd and 3rd stringers. Most of those guys won't make the team. The only thing that matters is what they do with the 1st stringers.

 

[GRYPHONK]

For future reference you probably shouldn't be laughing at the guy you're criticing when he messes up and call yourself unbiased. See where I'm going with this?

Ok, unlike the other 2 I see what you are saying.

The only thing I have to add is did I not note the good plays as well as the bad? I actually praised him on a few.

But I could see how one would take that as being biased without fully reading what was said.

That is noted for the next time I do a play by play.

 

[adamprez2003]

gryphonk i spent the night making that point in a more sarcastic and probably less effective way. But i think you did it correctly by spelling it out play by play