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Before I begin, just let me say that I don't care who the starting. It doesn't matter to me at all, I just want the best on in there, whoever that may be. I would post the same thing for any QB on our roster that was in this same situation.

Ok...now....

I just watched the steelers game, then looked on the board and saw some "Frerotte sucks" discussions.

Here's how I see it:

The GOOD

He was very accurate, and smart with his passing.
I only counted one incompletion that was his fault. I saw a LOT of plays where he hit the reciever in the hands or the chest, and the receiver dropped the ball. McMike was responsible for a few of them, along with Booker and Thompson and Morris (and maybe others...I can't remember at the moment). There were a couple of long balls down the sideline that were caught, but only one foot in bounds, but I still though the balls were well thrown. If those passes had been caught by the guys who had their hands on them, the game would have looked a lot different.

I was actually very happy with the way he played QB

The BAD
I haven't gone back to watch the sack with the fumble, so I don't know if that was his fault

Fumbling the snap: Again, I don't know who gets the blame for that, so I'll just assume it was him, and that wasn't good.


Anyway, I just wanted to give some perspective.
 
Frerotte was very erratic, and not all that accurate. I agree that he had balls that could have bene caught, but the throws weren't that great to begin with. He was underthrowing recievers, and throwing behind them. This makes it look like the recievers were more at fault than they were.
 
Personally i think Frerotte looks good in the pocket, he looks calm in control, the fumble was clearly his fault for not holding on to it and holding it like a loaf of bread, but you can't blame him completely for that, the O line is also at fault for not protecting him. I think you could blame Mckinney for the snapped fumble, from what i heard he sweats alot.
 
Rothlisberger's lucky he's not a Dolphin.

This was a defensive game. Frerotte struggled and the entire offense struggled. Look at Rothlisberger, what did he do? For the most part, he ran for his life and had a pick. And he had the benefit of a damn good running attack. We would be ripping him worse than the F & F boys!:shakeno: This was an exhibition loss. Relax and enjoy the pending...
 
Marty Booker did no wrong in this game. When Gus threw passes to him, he caught them. When Gus threw passes in his general vicinity, he made an effort to make a play but just came up short. You can't expect more from any receiver. Chris Chambers did the same thing tonight.

Aside from those passes, Gus made some bad throws to RBs. The one that sticks out in my mind was one way over Ricky's head that could have very well been an interception.

Randy McMichael was Gus's biggest enemy. He was doing his Donald Lee impression and was the only receiver Gus seemed to hit in the chest who couldn't make the catch.

It was a night to forget if you ask me. My read on the AJ situation was that he was set up to fail tonight after what Gus did. That's fine with me, too. I understand why Nick wouldn't want to have AJ throw downfield and do well because Gus is going to be the starter.
 
Sirspud said:
Frerotte was very erratic, and not all that accurate. I agree that he had balls that could have bene caught, but the throws weren't that great to begin with. He was underthrowing recievers, and throwing behind them. This makes it look like the recievers were more at fault than they were.
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I'm thinking of the two drops that Randy had. Both of them were on the money. Same for the drops by Thompson, and that one by Morris. If the QB puts it to where you can get both hands on it, it should be a catch.

And I think Booker should have come down with that long one...except for the fact that the defender got away with pass interference, grabbing and pulling his shoulder before the ball got there. I like Booker, and I'm glad he's on the team. For some reason, it didn't look to me like he was trying as hard as he could last night, though.
 
Well, Randy has been out spoken in favor of Gus, he didn't help him one bit last night!
 
Jimmy James said:
It was a night to forget if you ask me. My read on the AJ situation was that he was set up to fail tonight after what Gus did. That's fine with me, too. I understand why Nick wouldn't want to have AJ throw downfield and do well because Gus is going to be the starter.
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Now that is interesting. Let's see what Saban's reaction is this week. He seems the type that would want to make his decision stick. Then again, it could have been damage comtrol. You don't want to completely ruin teh team's psyche by throwing interceptions after 7 fumbles. He might have already decided that Gus will continue to start despite the bad outing and just let Feeley get through the game as cleanly as possible to avoid further damage to the team. I don't know.... bad night all around.
 
Jimmy James said:
Marty Booker did no wrong in this game. When Gus threw passes to him, he caught them. When Gus threw passes in his general vicinity, he made an effort to make a play but just came up short. You can't expect more from any receiver. Chris Chambers did the same thing tonight.

Aside from those passes, Gus made some bad throws to RBs. The one that sticks out in my mind was one way over Ricky's head that could have very well been an interception.

Randy McMichael was Gus's biggest enemy. He was doing his Donald Lee impression and was the only receiver Gus seemed to hit in the chest who couldn't make the catch.

It was a night to forget if you ask me. My read on the AJ situation was that he was set up to fail tonight after what Gus did. That's fine with me, too. I understand why Nick wouldn't want to have AJ throw downfield and do well
because Gus is going to be the starter.
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For one thing you said booker did no wrong. Do you remember on i think it was a 3rd and 15 play Frerrote made a perfect pass to the sidelines on a deep out route and it hit booker right in the hands and should have been a easy first down but ofcourse he dropped it. then on that deep pass, booker is a pretty big physical reciever and he was going against a small corner and he just let the corner take control instead of getting position and making a better attempt at the catch. Frerotte got away from the pass rush perfect and made the best play possible and booker should atleast make a better attempt at the ball. that throw to ricky was tipped at the line of scrimmage and that is why it flew over ricky's head. and that first deep ball thrown to chambers was underthrown but there was double coverage on him and he put it only where chambers could get to it. It hit his hands and if chambers wants to be known as a #1 reciever in the NFL he will make catches like that. I bet randy moss or hines ward would have made that catch.
 
I have to point out something. The long balls down the sideline that weren't caught with both feet inbouds were so because the ball was thrown wrong. A good throw lets the receiver make the catch inbouds. In the Chambers pass, for instance, he had the ball, beat the corner, but the ball was too outside to be caught with both feet in.
 
Dolphins84 said:
For one thing you said booker did no wrong. Do you remember on i think it was a 3rd and 15 play Frerrote made a perfect pass to the sidelines on a deep out route and it hit booker right in the hands and should have been a easy first down but ofcourse he dropped it. then on that deep pass, booker is a pretty big physical reciever and he was going against a small corner and he just let the corner take control instead of getting position and making a better attempt at the catch. Frerotte got away from the pass rush perfect and made the best play possible and booker should atleast make a better attempt at the ball. that throw to ricky was tipped at the line of scrimmage and that is why it flew over ricky's head. and that first deep ball thrown to chambers was underthrown but there was double coverage on him and he put it only where chambers could get to it. It hit his hands and if chambers wants to be known as a #1 reciever in the NFL he will make catches like that. I bet randy moss or hines ward would have made that catch.
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On the sideline pass, Gus threw it way too far away. Booker laid out for it, but he could only get his fingertips on it. It didn't look that way due to the angle on the "live" camera, but the replay angle made it quite apparent.

As to the deep pass, there is only so much any WR can do when he's waiting on the ball as long as he was. He had the coverage beat, and Gus screwed the play by putting Booker in a position where the DB could mug him. I don't know what the hell you people think he could have done -- did you want him to mug the DB in the long-*** time he was waiting?
 
With the way Frerotte hangs his passes we will have five receivers on IR before the season ends if he ends up starting
 
Jimmy James said:
On the sideline pass, Gus threw it way too far away. Booker laid out for it, but he could only get his fingertips on it. It didn't look that way due to the angle on the "live" camera, but the replay angle made it quite apparent.

As to the deep pass, there is only so much any WR can do when he's waiting on the ball as long as he was. He had the coverage beat, and Gus screwed the play by putting Booker in a position where the DB could mug him. I don't know what the hell you people think he could have done -- did you want him to mug the DB in the long-*** time he was waiting?
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I was at the game and that pass happened right in front of me. I was about 20 rows up. it hit him right in the hands. None of the steelers fans were ripping on me for anything about the way gus played they acctually complimented him sometimes but they kept going on about fumbles and how are receivers catn catch a pass.
 
cookiehead said:
Before I begin, just let me say that I don't care who the starting. It doesn't matter to me at all, I just want the best on in there, whoever that may be. I would post the same thing for any QB on our roster that was in this same situation.

Ok...now....

I just watched the steelers game, then looked on the board and saw some "Frerotte sucks" discussions.

Here's how I see it:

The GOOD

He was very accurate, and smart with his passing.
I only counted one incompletion that was his fault. I saw a LOT of plays where he hit the reciever in the hands or the chest, and the receiver dropped the ball. McMike was responsible for a few of them, along with Booker and Thompson and Morris (and maybe others...I can't remember at the moment). There were a couple of long balls down the sideline that were caught, but only one foot in bounds, but I still though the balls were well thrown. If those passes had been caught by the guys who had their hands on them, the game would have looked a lot different.

I was actually very happy with the way he played QB

The BAD
I haven't gone back to watch the sack with the fumble, so I don't know if that was his fault

Fumbling the snap: Again, I don't know who gets the blame for that, so I'll just assume it was him, and that wasn't good.


Anyway, I just wanted to give some perspective.
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This is objective? Good: He did great and his passes were accurate. Bad: I don't know what happened or if the bad stuff was even his fault.

Doesn't seem very objective to me.
 
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