Gase Vs Front Office

[where's th'fish]

As I read an article where projected non-playoff team's player's were drafted to reinforce playoff teams and the Dolphins were the last team to have a player drafted, I was reminded how in the offseason some of us were saying the Fins' biggest weakness was the lack of starpower. I don't want to get into a discussion of who is a star, who isn't, who is underappreciated.

The point is that as I was looking at the salary cap last week in Spotrac for the seven teams that seemed the biggest contenders, to me, at the time, I found most of them had few players using up 4% or more of the cap. The Chargers, Bears, Steelers had 4 of those players. The Saints and Patriots had 5. As you can imagine, most were very good players or superstars. Only the Chiefs and Rams had a lot of them: 8 and 10, respectively, and both those teams have a QB on a rookie salary and the Rams are on record as wanting to take advantage of the fact while it lasts.

The Dolphins, meanwhile, had 7, and none of those is even Rashad Jones. Actually, Tannehill, Jones and McCain combined count $15 million against the cap this year, and will count $49 million next year, with contracts that are very hard and painful to get out of.

No, our 7 are Quinn, Alonso, Branch, Stills, Tannehill, Wake, and JuWan James. Our best players are none of those guys. Which, to me, tells the whole story of who is more to blame for the state of our team. I wouldn't mind keeping Gase if we could make changes in the FO.

Anyway, feel free to disagree, but I thought I'd put this on record before the data is lost at the end of the year and promptly forgotten.

 

[jason37]

A new FO would like to bring in “their own guy”. It really is imperative to nuke the whole thing.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

As I read an article where projected non-playoff team's player's were drafted to reinforce playoff teams and the Dolphins were the last team to have a player drafted, I was reminded how in the offseason some of us were saying the Fins' biggest weakness was the lack of starpower. I don't want to get into a discussion of who is a star, who isn't, who is underappreciated.

The point is that as I was looking at the salary cap last week in Spotrac for the seven teams that seemed the biggest contenders, to me, at the time, I found most of them had few players using up 4% or more of the cap. The Chargers, Bears, Steelers had 4 of those players. The Saints and Patriots had 5. As you can imagine, most were very good players or superstars. Only the Chiefs and Rams had a lot of them: 8 and 10, respectively, and both those teams have a QB on a rookie salary and the Rams are on record as wanting to take advantage of the fact while it lasts.

The Dolphins, meanwhile, had 7, and none of those is even Rashad Jones. Actually, Tannehill, Jones and McCain combined count $15 million against the cap this year, and will count $49 million next year, with contracts that are very hard and painful to get out of.

No, our 7 are Quinn, Alonso, Branch, Stills, Tannehill, Wake, and JuWan James. Our best players are none of those guys. Which, to me, tells the whole story of who is more to blame for the state of our team. I wouldn't mind keeping Gase if we could make changes in the FO.

Anyway, feel free to disagree, but I thought I'd put this on record before the data is lost at the end of the year and promptly forgotten.

I'm struggling with "vs." The FO doesn't get ina meeting and say 'OK, we signed Branch to this big contract. Now we need to tell Gase.' Doesn't work like that. To a large extent, Gase tells the FO who he wants and how bad he wants him. The FO, in consultation, makes it work. I give very little blame to the FO for those contracts. That said, there wasn't a sane person in the organization who signed off on Wallace and Suh.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

The Dolphins, meanwhile, had 7, and none of those is even Rashad Jones. Actually, Tannehill, Jones and McCain combined count $15 million against the cap this year, and will count $49 million next year, with contracts that are very hard and painful to get out of.

Looks like the 2019 Dolphins can count on strong and well-compensated pass offense and pass defense

 

[where's th'fish]

I'm struggling with "vs." The FO doesn't get ina meeting and say 'OK, we signed Branch to this big contract. Now we need to tell Gase.' Doesn't work like that. To a large extent, Gase tells the FO who he wants and how bad he wants him. The FO, in consultation, makes it work. I give very little blame to the FO for those contracts. That said, there wasn't a sane person in the organization who signed off on Wallace and Suh.

I buy that, but I don't think that's the way it ought to be. We've had this conversation before, I think. To me, the reason you have a GM and a HC, instead of a single guy who does GM/HC, is because coaches aren't usually qualified to make personnel decisions. We've seen it happen in the league, with people like Andy Reid, who is successful again after letting go of GM responsibilities.

One thing the GM needs to do is define a direction. Every offseason since Mr. Tannenbaum got here we've had a different approach to the offseason. There was the year we made the big splash and brought in Suh. There was the year we played the compensatory picks game (only to use the extra picks in draft-day trades), there was the year we went for the extend vets with lots of guaranteed salary (the Branch/Kiko situation), there was last year when we went with low-key FA moves while making ugly restructures (the Rashad/Tannehill situation). That's why I totally buy what you're saying about Gase. It's like every year somebody different is making the decisions, and I always thought the Branch/Kiko year had Gase's fingerprints all over it.

Not that I'm saying a GM shouldn't listen to his coaches. But coaches are like kids on Christmas. They should ask for everything they want, and it's the parents/GM who needs to look at the financials and say, ok, this is a good idea, this is not. Or, this is not consistent with what we've been trying to do, but this is. The coach is not supposed to know about that side of the equation, he's already got enough on his plate dealing with the actual players on the team. His job, on that side is saying, I want this, I want that, I want the other. And then the GM says, that's too expensive, that won't work, we can get this at a bargain, etc.

 

[Danny]

I think it's a combination of both the FO and Gase. Same thing with the draft. I highly doubt that Gase wanted Geodert for example but the FO drafted Gesicki instead. Also, Gase has always talked well about Branch but the FO should have known better than to give that kind of deal to a jag. Who in their right mind would give Jones a contract that crazy?
Sorry but this has been a horrible combination of all 3 guys.
T-baum loves giving out horrible contracts. Grier has no eye for talent and Gase has made bad decision after bad decision on players and coaches.

BTW, together they have no clue as to how you build a winning team. There's never been a real plan that makes sense from those 3 guys.

 

[johngarryvo]

Ross knows Building 101: if there’s a crumbled old structure in place, tear it down to begin the construction. Let’s go Ross! Alonzo Highsmith Pres/GM 2019

 

[DKphin]

Ross knows Building 101: if there’s a crumbled old structure in place, tear it down to begin the construction. Let’s go Ross! Alonzo Highsmith Pres/GM 2019

What is this hard on for Highsmith? He has only been at his position w/the Browns since the start of January. The Browns had a good offseason, but your basing your support on that limited sample size?

 

[where's th'fish]

10 days ago Ross was undecided. Two days ago I wrote this post and now, bam! :jawdrop:roflmao

I'm kidding, but I do think Gase can be a good coach if he's given a strong GM. Trouble is, will a strong GM be willing to inherit Gase? Hope so. Of course, maybe the more pressing question is, will Ross even know what a strong GM looks like...

 

[phinfan40353]

Dan Marino as Executive VP.
Grier as GM.
Gase as Authoritarian HC.

Gase and Grier are now officially the next heads on the chopping block.

Dan is now the insulated one. Dan is Ross' final play. Ross knows he can't replace Dan and survive the PR nightmare.

So, Dan is the final ace in the hole. Dan is Ross' final backup plan. And honestly, if you are Ross, he is probably anticipating he would ride out a new regime picked by Dan until death. Then let someone else fire Dan if it doesn't work.

That's the problem with hiring a Dan Marino or John Elway. You can't fire them like a normal hire. They have to completely humiliate themselves with bad hires and terrible results before the fan base with be ok with firing them. You can't fire a living legacy. They have to quit.

I foresee Marino's name still being in the Executive conversations for the next decade, minimum. 10 years from now, Dan's name will still be spoken when talking about the current Dolphins' "Regime".

The only thing Gase can do now? Win. Miami's Chosen Son is breathing down your neck. Win or go home.

Regardless what Gase's ego says he can do, Dan's already done it. Gase has to get to the Super Bowl to get out from Dan's shadow.

Imagine coaching on the field with Dan towering over you from the press box. All eyes on Gase.

 

[Mach2]

Dan Marino as Executive VP.
Grier as GM.
Gase as Authoritarian HC.

Gase and Grier are now officially the next heads on the chopping block.

Dan is now the insulated one. Dan is Ross' final play. Ross knows he can't replace Dan and survive the PR nightmare.

So, Dan is the final ace in the hole. Dan is Ross' final backup plan. And honestly, if you are Ross, he is probably anticipating he would ride out a new regime picked by Dan until death. Then let someone else fire Dan if it doesn't work.

That's the problem with hiring a Dan Marino or John Elway. You can't fire them like a normal hire. They have to completely humiliate themselves with bad hires and terrible results before the fan base with be ok with firing them. You can't fire a living legacy. They have to quit.

I foresee Marino's name still being in the Executive conversations for the next decade, minimum. 10 years from now, Dan's name will still be spoken when talking about the current Dolphins' "Regime".

The only thing Gase can do now? Win. Miami's Chosen Son is breathing down your neck. Win or go home.

Regardless what Gase's ego says he can do, Dan's already done it. Gase has to get to the Super Bowl to get out from Dan's shadow.

Imagine coaching on the field with Dan towering over you from the press box. All eyes on Gase.

Get out of Dan's shadow? Lmao.

Gase couldn't launder Dan's shadow's, housekeepers, lawn guys jock strap.

 

[phinfan40353]

Get out of Dan's shadow? Lmao.

Gase couldn't launder Dan's shadow's, housekeepers, lawn guys jock strap.

Not on the field. But Dan's admitted lack of desire to do the day-to-day actually keeps Gase in good favor.

If Dan were to come in and say "Mr. Ross toss me the keys, I got this!", Gase would have already been fired.

Above all else, Ross desperately wants a legacy in Miami Dolphins' lore. If he could ride the living legend Dan Marino to a Super Bowl, he would have already had a saddle made.

I honestly think Dan's hesitancy has benefited Gase.

 

[where's th'fish]

Man, I don't about Dan. I wouldn't like to risk his reputation getting tarnished, like Elway. I'd rather remember him like the awesome player he was instead of like the guy who didn't draft so and so or the guy who can't fix the OL. Also, what makes us think he can do the job? Most of the ex-players that are on the booth are retards. Not Dan, of course, but I'd rather believe he's not than having to find out

 

[datruth55]

What is this hard on for Highsmith? He has only been at his position w/the Browns since the start of January. The Browns had a good offseason, but your basing your support on that limited sample size?

I guess you didn't know that Highsmith was a Senior Personnel Executive with the Packers from 2012-2017...John Dorsey hired him in Cleveland cause they had a working relationship when they were both with the Packers.

 

[studsatele]

Man, I don't about Dan. I wouldn't like to risk his reputation getting tarnished, like Elway. I'd rather remember him like the awesome player he was instead of like the guy who didn't draft so and so or the guy who can't fix the OL. Also, what makes us think he can do the job? Most of the ex-players that are on the booth are retards. Not Dan, of course, but I'd rather believe he's not than having to find out

Not saying Elway has been perfect. But 2 SB appearances and 1 win. I wouldn't call him tarnished.