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Just wanted to start a little discussion about this since we seem to have to some Rockets fans around here as well as some basketball gurus. It's not official but the trade seems to be the Rockets #8 pick Rudy Gay & and Stromile Swift for former #6 overall pick, forward Shane Battier.

I was skeptical about the trade at first. I was super excited when the Rockets drafted Gay, playmaker, scorer, untapped talent, etc. But like my thoughts, the trade is getting mixed reviews. Now it's starting to grow on me though. It's obvious that Swift isn't fitting in to the game plan in Houston. Van Gundy thought he could be the player the Rockets needed, but its obivous he's not. So not only do we move the player, but also the contract, which in turn frees up some cap space to go after a good, starting player in FA.

Gay is going to be a very good player in this league but I like aquisition of Battier because I think he fits into Van Gundy's defensive scheme 1000x better than Swift did. He's also more experienced than Gay and will come in right away and be up to NBA speed. He's right around the age of our core players (McGrady, Yao, Alston, etc.) and I don' think Houston is in a rebuilding stage. We're a playoff team, when we can stay healthy and Battier will be a better fit to the puzzle than Swift was. I'm leaning towards liking the trade now.

Thoughts, comments?
 
Here is what I said about it in the NBA Draft thread...


Ok. I think I now understand on why Van Gundy made this deal. The deal won't be annouced until mid July because of Battier's contract.

But here is what I'm thinking here.

Van Gundy wants to win now. He doesn't want a rookie like Gay to where it will take a year or two before he can produce in the NBA. He wanted a proven guy and a guy who can play defense well like Battier. So he wants to win now. By that, you got to have proven guys that will know what they are doing. Don't get me wrong here because I think Gay will be a very good player, but the question for me is how long will it take for me to become that good player in the leauge?

Swift was also apart of this deal. Swift has been nothing but a bust for us and he's dumb as a rock. Van Gundy doesn't want guys who doesn't have a smart IQ of basketball like Swift. Plus, it will free us some cap room and beable to sign another good FA.

So in conclusion, Van Gundy did this move for two reasons. 1. He wants to win now with proven players and wanted to get a defensive guy who does the little things that coaches like in players. 2. He wanted to free up some cap room to be able to bring in another good player.

This move is really a wait and see move. It will all depend on how Gay does his rookie year to see if this was a horrible trade or not. This move is bad for the future, but not for the present IMO.
 
I guess it's an ok move now but could hurt in the future.
 
305TillIDie said:
I didnt like the move..and why give up Gay and Swift..:nono:

I understand Van Gundy wants to win know..but the Trade suprised me
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The trade suprised everybody. Nobody saw this coming.

I was pretty pissed off when I first heard about it and I was getting ready to fly down to Houston to personally kick Van Gundy's *** myself.

But the more I thought about it I don't hate this trade as much as I did before. I still don't like the trade, but this could turn out to be a smart one(yes, I said smart and Van Gundy in the same sentence)for the present time.
 
This trade is horrible.

I think this makes the Rockets better but at what cost. 3 years from now Yao and Tmac are 30 so it makes sense to win now and not wait three years for Gay to be superstar potential if he makes it. So it makes sense from this point. However, Gay is entirely too talented to let go for Shane Battier. The point is if Houston wanted Foye so bad why not offer Gay and Swift for Foye. I bet you that is enough to get him. I would rather Foye over Battier. Plus there is probably a million other options out there that are better deals. My point is there are a million other trades that could have been made with ammo like Gay.

Houston will regret this trade 3 years from now. I would rather try and find someone in free agency for the present have Luther Head come back stronger at the two, Rafer to be healthy, Spanouliss to come in and I think that is a good team for now. The other point to be made is 3 years from now Gay would be our life after Tmac. Now I am not sure we will ever get one.

This trade would not be so bad if it was Gay and Howard for Battier. But they are losing the little athleticism and depth at PF they have.

Job Barry and Wesley are soo good though we need more players like these. We should trade Tmac for Allan Houston. This would make our team complete.

This is terrible and I can't wait until that organization wakes up and fires JVG and Dawson is gone. Today was the first day that I finally admitted it was time for JVG to go.
 
Agreed^, this trade was horrible but even the Rudy Gay pick was bad as well.

I really am not a true beleiver of the "Best Player Available" theory unless you are picking late in the first round.

JJ Redick should have been picked up by Houston. I was rooting for Houston, my favorite team of the West (Miami is my East team), to grab JJ Redick, who is just the most dominating perimeter shooter in NCAA History and probably the most dominating player in this draft. He's Mr. Effing Clutch. Pull out a highlight video of JJ and you will realize what could have been. With JJ and Tracy, they would have created alot of openings for Yao to work with, and I would guaranteed they would have atleast the 3rd or 4th seed next season.

But no, now JJ is in another good situation in Orlando, though most Orlando fans in realgm don't think JJ can fit their system, which I guess I can agree with because IMO Houston would have been the perfect fit for him.
 
Jerry West is a god among men.. He may have gotten the best player in the draft for Shane Battier plus a young big body downlow..
 
GreenMonster said:
Jerry West is a god among men.. He may have gotten the best player in the draft for Shane Battier plus a young big body downlow..
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Shane Battier is a nice player but i'm not sure he's a difference maker which Rudy Gay will be, IMO.
 
i guess they felt t mac and gay on the floor would be redundant, but even so battier plays the same position as gay. battier gives you defense and hustle-two things that are suspect of gay

gay's success will depend on his coach. if i were the rockets, i would not trade the pick because i think van gundy can do the job
 
I've explained my reasoning in a couple of other threads, but overall, it's just a horrible trade and nothing anybody says can dispute that. Period. If you don't like Rudy Gay, then you pick someone else or trade the pick for another player. Trust me, you can get far more than Shane Battier. I wouldn't even trade a pick between 15-20 for Battier - you can get much better.

Also, regardless of Stromile Swift's play in Houston, adding him to the deal makes it worse.
 
Was over at RealGM and I came upon this. The trade will still likely go down, but whatever.

I was talking to the Rockets ticket office. I was saying about how I'd go for them if Rudy is staying. Yeah I know, wrong..but boy It was worth it.

She's saying NOTHING is done with. These reported ESPN, etc. rumors can't get thier info like that because it is NOT official. I asked what about the chance of it not being officlal,but done on the 12th?

She's said the chance of that happening is the chance of it not happening.

Regardless, the Rockets are not fond of Rudy is what I gathered, they don't plan to start him. They plan to do more moves. So I asked what if we don't do the trade, and don't get any 2 or 3 besides keeping Bogans, she said that's what they are talking about right now. I talked about Marcus Williams going to NJ, and the Nets liking Swift.

I came up with Swift to New Jersey, from a 3-way with Memphis, landing Marcus & Battier to Houston. That's what I came up with, not her..not a website, but with me.


She said the details on the trade are not as they are reported, Gay + Swift for Battier. Rockets do NOT consider Swift a throw-in.She said she didn't know anymore, but she did claim that it's all in the works now. Not just this deal, but MORE deals. The SG,SF problems basically.

So I'm going to keep on calling every now and then, talk to some different people on the deal, etc.

But this trade is NOT "as good as done". I'm not saying it won't happen, but I'm also not saying it will happen. We don't know about it, any assumption is wrong.
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Blueprint said:
I've explained my reasoning in a couple of other threads, but overall, it's just a horrible trade and nothing anybody says can dispute that. Period. If you don't like Rudy Gay, then you pick someone else or trade the pick for another player. Trust me, you can get far more than Shane Battier. I wouldn't even trade a pick between 15-20 for Battier - you can get much better.

Also, regardless of Stromile Swift's play in Houston, adding him to the deal makes it worse.
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I don't care about Swift being apart of the trade because he realy didn't do much for us. The only thing he did good was his dunks. Hayes is doing things that a PF should be doing, Swift wasn't for us.

But yeah, we could've got alot more then just Battier. Like another draft pick or another player would be nice.
 
Ace88 said:
I don't care about Swift being apart of the trade because he realy didn't do much for us. The only thing he did good was his dunks. Hayes is doing things that a PF should be doing, Swift wasn't for us.

But yeah, we could've got alot more then just Battier. Like another draft pick or another player would be nice.
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Perhaps Battier and Eddie Jones/Bobby Jackson for Rudy Gay and Swift.
 
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