Ginn. 1st year to contribute.

[Rubbin420]

For all the judgements made on Ginn vs. Quinn it surprises me what some people still have on the brain.

Im tired of hearing, "Why did we draft a K/R specialist in the first round?"

The odds of a WR playing up to par in the first year is VERY rare. You cant expect a young guy to come in and be as capable as Chambers, Booker, (even Hagan)
The guy is going to participate in the team day 1 instead of paying first round money for a guy to sit on the bench. I repeat that twice for those who wanted Quinn, cuz thats what 15 million in guarenteed money would have got us this year. A bench warmer.
So I propose this idea: GIVE THE GUY A CHANCE BEFORE YOU CALL HIM A BAD PICK!
We have a KR/PR this year, and a starting WR next year. Thats a well thought out plan by the front office.

He is going to contribute on day 1, and I can bet that our special teams plays are going to be a lot more exciting to watch. Even for the haters.

 

[PeterNorth]

I agree. On top of that, I also feel John Beck will be just as good of a pro QB as Quinn, if not better, making the point even more moot.

Ginn is the dynamic gamebreaking type of playmaker this franchise has sorely needed for the longest time. Whether he ends up panning out is another story, but he has the tools.

 

[Schleprock]

Rubbin420, time to change your sig.

 

[jp2lee783]

I think if he's given enough chances as WR he would end up with numbers around where Lee Evans, Chris Chambers, and Santonio Holmes had in their rookie seasons.

 

[PhinFan0202]

I agree. On top of that, I also feel John Beck will be just as good of a pro QB as Quinn, if not better, making the point even more moot.

Ginn is the dynamic gamebreaking type of playmaker this franchise has sorely needed for the longest time. Whether he ends up panning out is another story, but he has the tools.

I agree with you 100% on the Beck/Quinn thing, check my post in the Quinn discussion in the general forum for some good reasoning. About Ginn i think he's going to be a playmaker. They are going to use him in ways that are less conventional than you would use say a typical #1 receiver. I'm very interested in seeing how the Dolphins staff can take advantage of Ginn's speed and create mismatches.

 

[ckparrothead]

It's hard for me to decide what is really best for him. If you really make an effort to get the ball in his hands you're probably covering for his weaknesses and utilizing his strengths. That's fine but you don't want him to give up on turning his weaknesses into strengths so early, or let him feel like he can get away with sloppy technique. So you want to put him through the school of hard knocks, make things difficult for him like Cameron has done...but then it's really tempting to not use him when the bullets are firing.

Because when you get down to it, Ginn is precisely the type of rookie WR that can have a big impact in his rookie year...because he's faster than everyone. He's not just faster, he thinks quicker on his feet. Putting him on the field makes a defense immediately respect the deep ball because if they don't, he's g-g-g-gone.

Every rookie WR has a whole heck of a lot to learn about becoming a technician and developing timing and a head for the game. There are no exceptions. The ones that make the big impacts right away to me are the guys that are physically better than everyone. Marques Colston was a perfect example. The NFL hasn't seen that kind of active size/speed/strength probably since David Boston's heyday.

Chris Chambers was similar...blazing top speed, fantastic physical catches on underthrown balls...all they asked him to do was run straight forward against single coverage and catch the deep ball in his rookie year and he did it because the guy could run a 4.33, weighed 215 pounds, had real long arms, could jump over 40 inches, and was capable of spectacular catches.

Santonio was less of a true better than everyone athlete, more of a technician, but you even saw in his rookie year, he was given tons of opportunities to make all those catches and his season was riddled with costly, costly mistakes too. He was a headache half the time for Steelers fans, and the other half exciting.

 

[SoDakDolfan]

Let's see what happens this year. I suspect a few trips into the endzone will quiet most of the detractors.

 

[Mike13]

Let's see what happens this year. I suspect a few trips into the endzone will quiet most of the detractors.

Or on the not so bright side, a few mistakes will bring the detractors out of hiding.

 

[MDFINFAN]

Or on the not so bright side, a few mistakes will bring the detractors out of hiding.

He's a rookie, we should expect a couple of mistakes, even vet's make mistakes..but this guy could be special in terms of the number of things he can do. We haven't had a top pick with this kind of speed in a long time. I think he and brown are probably some of the fastest at their positions we've had in awhile. chambers at 4.33 isn't bad either, and now add a quick booker to the equation and we may have some special things going on, on O and ST's this year.

 

[FINMAN13]

It's hard for me to decide what is really best for him. If you really make an effort to get the ball in his hands you're probably covering for his weaknesses and utilizing his strengths. That's fine but you don't want him to give up on turning his weaknesses into strengths so early, or let him feel like he can get away with sloppy technique. So you want to put him through the school of hard knocks, make things difficult for him like Cameron has done...but then it's really tempting to not use him when the bullets are firing.

Because when you get down to it, Ginn is precisely the type of rookie WR that can have a big impact in his rookie year...because he's faster than everyone. He's not just faster, he thinks quicker on his feet. Putting him on the field makes a defense immediately respect the deep ball because if they don't, he's g-g-g-gone.

Every rookie WR has a whole heck of a lot to learn about becoming a technician and developing timing and a head for the game. There are no exceptions. The ones that make the big impacts right away to me are the guys that are physically better than everyone. Marques Colston was a perfect example. The NFL hasn't seen that kind of active size/speed/strength probably since David Boston's heyday.

Chris Chambers was similar...blazing top speed, fantastic physical catches on underthrown balls...all they asked him to do was run straight forward against single coverage and catch the deep ball in his rookie year and he did it because the guy could run a 4.33, weighed 215 pounds, had real long arms, could jump over 40 inches, and was capable of spectacular catches.

Santonio was less of a true better than everyone athlete, more of a technician, but you even saw in his rookie year, he was given tons of opportunities to make all those catches and his season was riddled with costly, costly mistakes too. He was a headache half the time for Steelers fans, and the other half exciting.

nice post.....agree 99.9%:beer1:

 

[Rubbin420]

Or on the not so bright side, a few mistakes will bring the detractors out of hiding.

Since when do detractors hide?

IMO its easy to talk yang, but hard to support your team when its down. Thats something many dolphin fans do not understand. I hope for the day we have fans that back their team like GB.

 

[clbrazee]

Let's see what all the rookies do. A Rookie WR usually has any noticeable impact on a team.

Let's be fair about it an see what they can do. This way we're not disappointed if they don't live up to their projected impact.

 

[Phin_Phan]

Im way over us not picking Quinn now.....especially after Cameron said they wanted Beck from the get go. Cameron has produced some very good QB's so I trust his judgement till proven otherwise!

Ginn is such an exciting player I cant be upset about this pick cause I think he's gonna give us a lot of exciting moments for the next 5+ seasons!

 

[Rubbin420]

Im way over us not picking Quinn now.....especially after Cameron said they wanted Beck from the get go. Cameron has produced some very good QB's so I trust his judgement till proven otherwise!

Ginn is such an exciting player I cant be upset about this pick cause I think he's gonna give us a lot of exciting moments for the next 5+ seasons!

Hpoefully more than 5. WR do not have the first good season until the third year.

 

[FINSTER]

Rookie WRS are an investment!

I'd like to weigh in with something......

A while back, Miami drafted a WR #52 overall. This WR was from tiny Northwestern State in Louisiana, and he only saw action in 2 regular season games his rookie year with no receptions. I remember seeing him on special teams and standing around on the sideline. Most back them probably paid little notice to him, and some might've suspected him to be a wasted pick.

In his second year, he posted the following numbers;

51 catches for 1,003 yards, 10 TDS (including an 85 yarder), and a healthy 19.7 yard average. He went on to post career numbers of 511 catches for 8,869 yards, 59 TDS (that 85 yarder was his career long) and a 17.4 yard average.

Prior to his second year, we drafted a receiver out of Louisville. His first year stats were 6 receptions ( his longest a 39 yarder) for 114 yards, 1 TD, and a 19 yard average all compiled in 14 games. He also threw one TD pass.

In year two, he follwed a similiar trend as the first Phin mentioned;

73 receptions for 1,389 yards, a regular season record 18 TDS (his longest a 65 yarder), with again a 19.0 yard average. When his career with us ended, he totaled 550 catches for 8,643 yards, 81 TDS (career long a 78 yarder), and a 15.7 yard average.

My point? These 2 players, Mark Duper and Mark Clayton, were not big contributors until year 2. Hopefully, the investment we made in Ginn will pay out like the ones made in the Marks Brothers. I can certainly hope so......