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I think if you get a GM who can actually bring in a "complete" roster - average to above average OL, a variety of skill position players (not just small and fast), and a decent set of LBs and you'll be surprised how quickly the "finesse" narrative goes away.
 
I think if you get a GM who can actually bring in a "complete" roster - average to above average OL, a variety of skill position players (not just small and fast), and a decent set of LBs and you'll be surprised how quickly the "finesse" narrative goes away.
There is a big difference finesse OLine vs maulers
It’s the schemes that are run between the two

You need very athletic OLine to run McD’s offense and those guys are usually not as big and strong as maulers that let’s Bill Parcells or Joe Gibbs used to field
Finesse offense is not a narrative, it exists. I’d rather run the big maulers who create running lanes for running backs and that opens up the passing lanes.

Parcells had Joe Morris, he’s not by any means a HOF, but had a great career behind those maulers. And as far as I’m concerned Emmit Smith by no means woulda had the career he had if he didn’t have that monster OLine and Moose in front of him
 
At this point I have to agree.

Since the organization chooses to obscure who's responsible for what and hold them individually accountable, the only answer is to fire everyone and install a new regime. Hopefully one that features individuals who will stand up and own what the hell is going on.
Maybe. It is interesting that Green Bay, Houston and San Francisco are all teams in the hunt. The 49ers have been to two super bowls over the past three years. The Packers have been knocking on the door. The Texans are just getting started. Sean McVay won a super bowl with the Rams. Kevin O'Connell is off to a great start in Minnesota.

What do they all have in common? The same coaching tree that started with Mike Shanahan. Of course, McDaniel is part of that coaching tree as well.

That doesn't mean Miami should keep McDaniel, but I do think he gets another year regardless of how fans feel. So, I guess the question is how does McDaniel get better, or does he? He was pretty slow to adapt to teams taking away Hill and Waddle, but he's generally got there by using Smith, more of a running game, taking what the defense gives etc.

Kyle Shanahan started slowly with SF. There was talk early on about whether he was the right choice, but he took over a team that was bad so he had some leeway there. Pairing him with John Lynch proved to be a good fit. Lynch added physical players, even on the offensive line which before was more about smaller, quicker guys.

I don't know the answer for the Dolphins. I hate that Miami is soft. That's not winning football, even with the fastest team in football that can create mismatches everywhere. Can McDaniel start to emphasize a more physical approach? Can Grier bring in better guards and add physicality to this team?

If not, I think Wes Welker might be interesting. Again, here's someone who hasn't coached. But he has a background with Bill Bellichick and Mike Shanahan.
 
Miami needs stud guards. When you have a pocket passer you build interior of Oline. Just like Saints and Pats did. Also need a big back for short yardage and goal line. Look at Lions. They use Gibbs in middle of field. When they get by goal line they put in big back. It’s not that hard!
 
There is a big difference finesse OLine vs maulers
It’s the schemes that are run between the two

You need very athletic OLine to run McD’s offense and those guys are usually not as big and strong as maulers that let’s Bill Parcells or Joe Gibbs used to field
Finesse offense is not a narrative, it exists. I’d rather run the big maulers who create running lanes for running backs and that opens up the passing lanes.

Parcells had Joe Morris, he’s not by any means a HOF, but had a great career behind those maulers. And as far as I’m concerned Emmit Smith by no means woulda had the career he had if he didn’t have that monster OLine and Moose in front of him
This is true. We have prioritized mobile guards that can pull and get out on the edges in the screen game and for the stretch plays to the edge that we dont seem to run as much this year. Its a different makeup than a team that wants to pound you up the middle.

There are still ways to win in the NFL without being a dominant run team. Or a running team at all. I think about NE back in the day they were winning super bowls while being the 31st ranked team in the league rushing. But they had a great screen game and Brady ate you up over the middle with Welker.

It can be done, but Brady also had a phenomenal O line to keep him clean. He would get killed trying to run that style of offense behind this O line.
 
This is true. We have prioritized mobile guards that can pull and get out on the edges in the screen game and for the stretch plays to the edge that we dont seem to run as much this year. Its a different makeup than a team that wants to pound you up the middle.

There are still ways to win in the NFL without being a dominant run team. Or a running team at all. I think about NE back in the day they were winning super bowls while being the 31st ranked team in the league rushing. But they had a great screen game and Brady ate you up over the middle with Welker.

It can be done, but Brady also had a phenomenal O line to keep him clean. He would get killed trying to run that style of offense behind this O line.
Funny how the Giants had New Englands number
 
There is a big difference finesse OLine vs maulers
It’s the schemes that are run between the two

You need very athletic OLine to run McD’s offense and those guys are usually not as big and strong as maulers that let’s Bill Parcells or Joe Gibbs used to field
Finesse offense is not a narrative, it exists. I’d rather run the big maulers who create running lanes for running backs and that opens up the passing lanes.

Parcells had Joe Morris, he’s not by any means a HOF, but had a great career behind those maulers. And as far as I’m concerned Emmit Smith by no means woulda had the career he had if he didn’t have that monster OLine and Moose in front of him
Mike Shananah used smaller more agile linemen and churned out 1k rushers like it was nothing and won 2 SBs with them. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat.
 
There is a big difference finesse OLine vs maulers
It’s the schemes that are run between the two

You need very athletic OLine to run McD’s offense and those guys are usually not as big and strong as maulers that let’s Bill Parcells or Joe Gibbs used to field
Finesse offense is not a narrative, it exists. I’d rather run the big maulers who create running lanes for running backs and that opens up the passing lanes.

Parcells had Joe Morris, he’s not by any means a HOF, but had a great career behind those maulers. And as far as I’m concerned Emmit Smith by no means woulda had the career he had if he didn’t have that monster OLine and Moose in front of him
With all due respect, this isn't 30 or 40 years ago. Less than half of the NFL still uses a traditional FB, Miami is actually one of them. Miami is actually in the top 10 of rushing attempts this year as well. I don't care whether the guys up front are "maulers" or more athletic, as long as they open up holes up front for the run game and can pass block. SF runs a similar offense and Andy Reid is hardly known as a 3 yards and a cloud of dust kind of guy, but they both went to the SB again last year.

I think if the Dolphins had a similar level of OL play, had a bruiser option at RB, and a couple of WRs over 6', they would be fine as well and the "finesse" narrative for this offense would be ditched.
 
With all due respect, this isn't 30 or 40 years ago. Less than half of the NFL still uses a traditional FB, Miami is actually one of them. Miami is actually in the top 10 of rushing attempts this year as well. I don't care whether the guys up front are "maulers" or more athletic, as long as they open up holes up front for the run game and can pass block. SF runs a similar offense and Andy Reid is hardly known as a 3 yards and a cloud of dust kind of guy, but they both went to the SB again last year.

I think if the Dolphins had a similar level of OL play, had a bruiser option at RB, and a couple of WRs over 6', they would be fine as well and the "finesse" narrative for this offense would be ditched.
Top 10 in attempts, but not in the top 20 yards. We have made a concerted effort to run the ball this year.... We have just been bad at it.
 
Top 10 in attempts, but not in the top 20 yards. We have made a concerted effort to run the ball this year.... We have just been bad at it.
Exactly. The OL just plain sucks. If Grier put as much energy in getting quality offensive linemen as he does in getting WRs and RBs who are 5'10" and run sub 4.4's, this team would be the most "physical" team in the league.
 
when I look back at the Tunsil trade and think about all the draft picks we had to rebuilt our team, it’s really unbelievable that Grier screwed it up as bad as he did. How can an owner sit there and not see that out of those draft picks we had we don’t have much to show for it. We are now an old, middle of the road team which plays soft, and undisciplined.
Yes, BUT Grier has filled the team with MickeyD's vision...speed and mis-direction. I blame the HC for the team's on-field results.
 
McDaniel gets interviewed before the half and says they have to get a few things cleaned up. Ok bro you're gonna do that in 15 minutes?? This regime is a joke it's over. Weaver ain't a d coordinator, Mike isn't a hc or called plays before. Grier has failed up no way he should be in this job a second longer.

We need a polar opposite of McDaniel, Vrabel is the guy. Can Ross lure a new GM & Vrabel and give them carte blanche to blow torch this org? Chances are low Ross seems pretty woke, he's in is 80s as long as he's making attractions around the stadium bigger he may not GAF about the football operation.
Ross is real concerned with "image"...how about being concerned with building a winning team...that is the only "image" he needs to be worried about.
I like Vrabel. Keep Weaver if Vrabel likes him, if not, sh*t-can him along with the rest of them!
 
Was that not the worst tackling effort you have ever seen in a professional football game?

It was like a contagious disease....once it started it just kept spreading
It was a disgrace.
 
I think the "moving forward" premise was more of a "big picture" question.
For sure, who is going g to pick those players that we need? I personally wouldn’t advocate for getting rid of McDaniels yet, but Grier for sure.
 
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