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Good Article on Dave Toub

dlockz said:
I respect your feeling and opinion but i have never watched an NFl game and said to myself as I watched the special teams coach, damn if that guy was head coach of my team lol.
It seems my mindset is the same as 30 other teams in the nfl that have not looked at special teams coaches for their leadership position. To go from botching hiring Jim Harbaugh to making Dave Toub our head coach a year later is quite underwhelming
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It is not surprising. You would have said the same thing had this team hired John Harbaugh back in 2008, and they probably would have had they done what I wanted them to do and bring in Tom Heckert Jr to run the football operations instead of Bill Parcells.

The typical NFL way of thinking is the biggest reason there are only a few good head coaches in the league today anyway and a whole bunch of mediocre coaches. What you do as an offensive coordinator or a defensive coordinator has very little to do with what you do as a head coach.
 
Didn't Jerry Glanville make his mark on special teams before becoming the HC of the Falcons?
He was the first notable guy I can remember.
 
I like John Harbough but he's not good because he was a special teams coach, he's good because he's part of a strong organization that supports him. Harbough in Miami right now would not be successful, there are two many moving parts and agendas.
 
When Harbaugh was hired by the Ravens, I believe most people thought it to be a little bit of a stretch. He had never been a HC anywhere. In fact, he wasn't even the Ravens first choice, their first choice turned them down. It seems like it has worked out for the Ravens so far. Don't know if Toub is the answer or not, or even if the Fins will offer him the job, but wont just rip it based on him being a Special Teams coach.
 
Is there a debate again about Toub on here? You are comparing Toub to Harbaugh? Apples and Oranges. Lets just puit this on the real. Yes Harbugh was a special teams coach (As far as coaching excperiance that is all they have in common) BUT Harbaugh had 13 years of coaching under his belt before he became a special teams coach, and even then at the time he was hired he was a DB coach. Being a position coach (by the way he coached LB/RB/TE/DB’s) is extremely valuable before becoming a HC. How can a HC judge or determine if his coaches are coaching the right thing if he has no knowledge of how the position is suppose to be coached and that is just the obvious. Toub for the past 10 years has been a special teams coach. That’s it. Prior to the NFL he was a D-line coach for 3 years.
I can’t sit here and tell you that he wont be a Great HC or anything like that. Just my opinion he needs to do a lot more then just special teams and I don’t see him getting much of an opportunity to be a HC without expanding his coaching experience.
 
dirwuf said:
If there's a Dolphin's discussion going on, you don't have to look long to see dlockz shooting them down. Seriously, though....how would Toub spending a year coaching defensive backs or offensive line make him any more qualified? The description of what a head coach does is most aligned to that of special teams coach. Hiring the 'best' offensive or defensive coordinators dooms more organizations than I can count...there's more to it than that. I'm not saying I know what it is, or that Toub is the answer, but to dismiss Toub (and those like him) so quickly is not in our best interest.
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Fixed that for ya
 
I think Toub is an interesting candidate; I wish I could have been in the interview room to see what he said in the interview. He seems like a real leader and I do think it is telling that Chicago really does not want to lose him, but its hard to tell how much credit to give him with Hester there.
 
BIG_FISH_RI said:
Is there a debate again about Toub on here? You are comparing Toub to Harbaugh? Apples and Oranges. Lets just puit this on the real. Yes Harbugh was a special teams coach (As far as coaching excperiance that is all they have in common) BUT Harbaugh had 13 years of coaching under his belt before he became a special teams coach, and even then at the time he was hired he was a DB coach. Being a position coach (by the way he coached LB/RB/TE/DB’s) is extremely valuable before becoming a HC. How can a HC judge or determine if his coaches are coaching the right thing if he has no knowledge of how the position is suppose to be coached and that is just the obvious. Toub for the past 10 years has been a special teams coach. That’s it. Prior to the NFL he was a D-line coach for 3 years.
I can’t sit here and tell you that he wont be a Great HC or anything like that. Just my opinion he needs to do a lot more then just special teams and I don’t see him getting much of an opportunity to be a HC without expanding his coaching experience.
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You say it's Apples to Oranges, yet Harbaugh was a ST and DB coach, and Toub is ST and was a DL coach? What am I missing? Also you say "How can a HC judge or determine if his coaches are coaching the right thing if he has no knowledge of how the position is suppose to be coached", but using that same argument, if I coached DB's how would I know how QB's are supposed to be coached? Technically I would "have no knowledge".

I'm not picking on your post, but I haven't heard a single legitimate argument as to why a ST coach would not be a good HC. To me, it's simply not the "sexy" hire rhetoric that has people blindly shooting it down. I personally would rather a ST coach than a LB coach or an OL coach who deal with the fundamentals of one position, while ST deals with 11 guys, blocking schemes, read and reaction techniques, etc. But that's me..
 
dlockz said:
Oh yea I forgot he was like quality control at time makes sense now. Still like I said even after Harbaughs success teams seem to have no more respect for special teams coaches than they ever did. Chicago could have easily made him assitant coach. Im not saying Toub will be a bad coach but I like the rest of the nfl dont view special teams coach as the last step before head coach.
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The Bears have made some real bonehead decisions recently; look at the current and previous OC's for starters.

Would you prefer an OL coach "skip a paygrade" & become HC?
 
NYPhinzFan said:
You say it's Apples to Oranges, yet Harbaugh was a ST and DB coach, and Toub is ST and was a DL coach? What am I missing? Also you say "How can a HC judge or determine if his coaches are coaching the right thing if he has no knowledge of how the position is suppose to be coached", but using that same argument, if I coached DB's how would I know how QB's are supposed to be coached? Technically I would "have no knowledge".

I'm not picking on your post, but I haven't heard a single legitimate argument as to why a ST coach would not be a good HC. To me, it's simply not the "sexy" hire rhetoric that has people blindly shooting it down. I personally would rather a ST coach than a LB coach or an OL coach who deal with the fundamentals of one position, while ST deals with 11 guys, blocking schemes, read and reaction techniques, etc. But that's me..
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You would rather have a special teams coach over a position coach to be your HC? I mean that is your own opinion but let me put it to you this way. If you had a LB coach I can assure you that he KNOWS how the defense works. He knows how the DL works and where they are suppose to be. He knows how the secondary works and where everyone is suppose to be, because it all effects his LB's. So the point I'm making is he knows defesne. He knows the scheme. Becaseu of that he may know a little about blocking schemes and how offenses will try to attacke a defesne. Your Special teams guy knows how to run down in lanes and sqeeze to the ball carrier. Great! that wont cut it. Position coaching gets you well rounded for a HC position.

Harbough coached on both sides of the ball. O and D. So to say they have the same background is ludicrous.

Special teams coach is like entry level to NFL coaching. like I said Toub has not yet coached anythign else. yet he is 10 years into his career. Do you see something wrong there? To say he coached DL for 3 years makes him just as qualified again is just beyond me. If you cant see the facts and point then there is just no need for me to explain.

 
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