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Grading The Dolphins Draft

Grade The Dolphins Draft

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Grading The Draft

For this one I am not going to provide much in the way of framework, but I will give two rules:

-Grade on an absolute basis. This poll is not about how Grier and the Dolphins did relative to the low expectations many had. It is how do you think the Dolphins did in an absolute sense, irrespective of who was running the draft.

-I am using a 1-5 scale. 1 being it sucked, 5 being it was great. Think about this in absolute terms as well. As opposed to the grading system the pundits use, where no team seems to get lower than a B grade, which I just do not understand.

I graded the draft below average, even though I liked the first two players they picked. Those two picks matter the most too. So how did I get to below average even though I liked the players they drafted with the two most important picks? I was on the fence between below average and average but I settled on below because I think they left the draft with too many unfilled holes.

Everyone is going to think about it differently, and I am not going to tell anyone how they should think about it.

I hold it against them that they went into the draft with such a desperate need on the interior OL and DL that their hand was forced in the draft. In my view, what a team does prior to the draft is part of the draft. I understand if people think about it differently, and want to look at the draft in isolation.

Related to this point, it irks me that we drafted to replace what we already had here in Wilkins and Hunt, and decided to let go. In expectation the guys we just drafted will not be as good as Wilkins or Hunt either, that is just the law of averages. Making this even more painful, we let Wilkins and Hunt go because we thought the money was better off spent going to the combination of the Ramsey, Tyreek, Waddle and Tua, amongst others. So far, it seems like we decided to put the money in a lot of the wrong places. Some may not want to look backwards, but I do because these decisions impacted our draft.

Then as far as the draft itself was concerned, I look at the mosaic of the entire draft, and do not think we came out of it filling enough of the holes we had. In my view, Grier continues to have little mastery of the draft board:

-I like Grant, but I was on record before the draft not wanting him at 13. I think we should have been able to trade back, accumulate more capital to use on other needs, and still taken the player later, or traded back and gotten the equivalent player on the OL later in round 1, and then dealt with the DT in round 2 without needing to trade up, or with having more capital acquired in a round 1 trade back to utilize to move up. Of course I do not know this for certain.

-I like Jonah too. He is the other side of the coin. But I do not feel we needed to trade up to get him. And I think we should not have put ourself in the position where we were so desperate we needed to burn capital to trade up for a guard (one other option was taking the guard round 1 and the DT round 2 without trading up). I was on record before the draft saying I did not want Grier trading up and burning capital. No offensive lineman was taken from the point we took him, to where our original pick was at 48. Of course I do not know this for certain either. But the draft could have been managed in a way by the Dolphins that they did not have to trade up in round 2 for the guard if they behaved differently in round 1 (or traded back and accumulated capital to use for round 2).

-Both picks were used on replacing guys that were just here. Neither player was the BPA when we picked. Both picks were pretty big reaches based on the pundit rankings at least (I know the pundits are far from right all of theime). We had to reach because we had such big holes at both positions, and you never want to be in that spot going into a draft where your hand is forced so much, and you can’t go BPA. In the case of one we probably could have traded back, in the case of the other, we traded up and burned capital when we might not have needed to.

-Then when we finally get to our next pick, Grier then decides to trade back. Yes, that trade won us draft value points. But since we gave away draft picks already for Jonah, we needed to start filling some holes in the higher rounds (secondary for example) with guys that might be able to help now, and I do not think we did that.

-I think everything after that was just noise, we are looking at special teams players, backups, and guys that won’t make the team. These players, despite the hype they will receive, more often than not, turn out to be noise. People love to fantasize about the later round picks. To each their own I guess. Occasionally players are found in the later rounds, but more often than not, they are largely irrelevant. You want to be excited about a 6th round RB like Ollie Gordon, fine. Just remember, everyone was totally fired up about the 4th round RB that we traded up for last year (at the expense of this year which hurt), and Wright did absolutely nothing to move the needle last year. He barely even played.

In summary, we went into the draft with a lot of needs that we should have addressed prior to the draft in order to not force our hand, and I feel like we left the draft with only two players that will really help in any material fashion. I think we should have been able to do a fair bit better than what we did, even though I acknowledge we did fill two needs with two players that seem like they should be able to help right away.

I also think for those who were hoping we were going to be pretty good this year, they needed to knock the ball out of the park this draft, and sadly they did not do that. Average to above average for our 2025 season alone is not enough given the spot we are in. If anyone thinks they did knock the ball out of the park this draft, and it made the team materially better than they were last year, please explain in the comments.

It will be interesting how Finheaven grades the Dolphins draft in compare to the grades assigned by national pundits that we get to see tomorrow. The national pundits are not perfect, and we won’t really know until a year or two passes. But the national pundits are the best we have right now, and at least they are disinterested third parties, that should be more objective than most of us are, because they don’t have a dog in the fight for lack of a better term. The tough thing is comparing the grades, because this poll is on a different system. But the way they grade, B and B- grades put you in the bottom half to bottom third of their inflated grading system and those grades pretty much imply they thought the draft was not great. You also need their textual color along with their grades to get a sense for what they really think.
 
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I don't like Grier, but we needed some beef and nastiness and think we got it, not sure about the round 5 guys, hope they work out, and i like the end of the draft. I just hope the guys bring toughness to the team and are not influenced by the country club this organization has become.
 
Too early to know.
The first two picks were positions we sure needed as were the two defensive back picks. Maybe the right players maybe not.
We also got a QB I thought we needed, and in the 7th round not much to lose. Should we have taken Sanders just before Cleveland did? Time will tell.
 
Best I can say is average, teetering on below-average. I like the first 2 picks and the rest are really just fillers. I think he missed opportunities for a stronger safety prospect, and the RB was underwhelming, IMO (and I get why he drafted the RB)...but again...fillers. I didn't expect him to fill all the holes in the roster...that's just impossible...but he took should-be-starters in the trenches with his first 2 picks, so I'm good with that. Hopefully they'll be good building blocks for the long term.
 
Haven't had a real chance to digest it yet.

But, this had to be a meats and potatoes draft and it was that. I don't think you can argue much with the Grant and Savaiinaea picks. Both are physical specimens at positions that needed immediate starters.

I honestly wanted Warren, but Grant is exactly what the Dolphins needed and a great fit for Weaver.

Savaiinaea was one of three offensive linemen I wanted in the 2nd round. Ratledge and Wilson were the other two. I think Grier got it right. He’s the most physical of the three and actually reminds me a little bit of Robert Hunt.

At the very least, Phillips adds depth to a defensive line that badly needs depth. He could surprise and start, but I think the vision is a rotational player.

Not sure about the secondary picks, or the trade back. Gadsden and Roberts were available. I liked them, but honestly don't know enough about the corner or safety.

Getting a 3rd for next year helps Miami potentially move up for a quarterback if Tua gets hurt again (if they have to move up).

Love the Gordon pick and surprised he fell to the 6th. Pairing him with Achane and Wright is a win.

Ewers is good value in the 7th. Injuries derailed his career a bit. Otherwise, he probably goes much higher.
 
There is only a few people on this site I firmly believe put in the work to scout players all the way down to the 7th round. I trust their opinion on players. I don’t expect to see them post here and if they do I can respect their opinion.

Threads like these have the tendency to bring out the most common arm chair warriors on the board. The people who definitely know way more than Grier and our FO, but would rather work their 9-5 than take their talents to the NFL.

I will go on record right now; this was Grier’s best draft since McDaniel became HC. It was also his best draft since 2016 where we landed Tunsil, Howard, Drake and Grant. Now I’m not saying this is some A+++ god tier draft. However, we got players who are day 1 starters, with no injury concerns, and are still young with room to develop. I don’t care about the past. We needed OL and DL starters and we got them.
 
Grading The Draft

For this one I am not going to provide much in the way of framework, but I will give two rules:

-Grade on an absolute basis. This poll is not about how Grier and the Dolphins did relative to the low expectations many had. It is how do you think the Dolphins did in an absolute sense, irrespective of who was running the draft.

-I am using a 1-5 scale. 1 being it sucked, 5 being it was great. Think about this in absolute terms as well. As opposed to the grading system the pundits use, where no team seems to get lower than a B grade, which I just do not understand.

I graded the draft below average, even though I liked the first two players they picked. Those two picks matter the most too. So how did I get to below average even though I liked the players they drafted with the two most important picks? I was on the fence between below average and average but I settled on below because I think they left the draft with too many unfilled holes.

Everyone is going to think about it differently, and I am not going to tell anyone how they should think about it.

I hold it against them that they went into the draft with such a desperate need on the interior OL and DL that their hand was forced in the draft. In my view, what a team does prior to the draft is part of the draft. I understand if people think about it differently, and want to look at the draft in isolation.

Related to this point, it irks me that we drafted to replace what we already had here in Wilkins and Hunt, and decided to let go. In expectation the guys we just drafted will not be as good as Wilkins or Hunt either, that is just the law of averages. Making this even more painful, we let Wilkins and Hunt go because we thought the money was better off spent going to the combination of the Ramsey, Tyreek, Waddle and Tua, amongst others. So far, it seems like we decided to put the money in a lot of the wrong places. Some may not want to look backwards, but I do because these decisions impacted our draft.

Then as far as the draft itself was concerned, I look at the mosaic of the entire draft, and do not think we came out of it filling enough of the holes we had. In my view, Grier continues to have little mastery of the draft board:

-I like Grant, but I was on record before the draft not wanting him at 13. I think we should have been able to trade back, accumulate more capital to use on other needs, and still taken the player later, or traded back and gotten the equivalent player on the OL later in round 1, and then dealt with the DT in round 2 without needing to trade up, or with having more capital acquired in a round 1 trade back to utilize to move up. Of course I do not know this for certain.

-I like Jonah too. He is the other side of the coin. But I do not feel we needed to trade up to get him. And I think we should not have put ourself in the position where we were so desperate we needed to burn capital to trade up for a guard (one other option was taking the guard round 1 and the DT round 2 without trading up). I was on record before the draft saying I did not want Grier trading up and burning capital. No offensive lineman was taken from the point we took him, to where our original pick was at 48. Of course I do not know this for certain either. But the draft could have been managed in a way by the Dolphins that they did not have to trade up in round 2 for the guard if they behaved differently in round 1 (or traded back and accumulated capital to use for round 2).

-Both picks were used on replacing guys that were just here. Neither player was the BPA when we picked. Both picks were pretty big reaches based on the pundit rankings at least (I know the pundits are far from right all of theime). We had to reach because we had such big holes at both positions, and you never want to be in that spot going into a draft where your hand is forced so much, and you can’t go BPA. In the case of one we probably could have traded back, in the case of the other, we traded up and burned capital when we might not have needed to.

-Then when we finally get to our next pick, Grier then decides to trade back. Yes, that trade won us draft value points. But since we gave away draft picks already for Jonah, we needed to start filling some holes in the higher rounds (secondary for example) with guys that might be able to help now, and I do not think we did that.

-I think everything after that was just noise, we are looking at special teams players, backups, and guys that won’t make the team. These players, despite the hype they will receive, more often than not, turn out to be noise. People love to fantasize about the later round picks. To each their own I guess. Occasionally players are found in the later rounds, but more often than not, they are largely irrelevant. You want to be excited about a 6th round RB like Ollie Gordon, fine. Just remember, everyone was totally fired up about the 4th round RB that we traded up for last year (at the expense of this year which hurt), and Wright did absolutely nothing to move the needle last year. He barely even played.

In summary, we went into the draft with a lot of needs that we should have addressed prior to the draft in order to not force our hand, and I feel like we left the draft with only two players that will really help in any material fashion. I think we should have been able to do a fair bit better than what we did, even though I acknowledge we did fill two needs with two players that seem like they should be able to help right away.

I also think for those who were hoping we were going to be pretty good this year, they needed to knock the ball out of the park this draft, and sadly they did not do that. Average to above average for our 2025 season alone is not enough given the spot we are in. If anyone thinks they did knock the ball out of the park this draft, and it made the team materially better than they were last year, please explain in the comments.

It will be interesting how Finheaven grades the Dolphins draft in compare to the grades assigned by national pundits that we get to see tomorrow. The national pundits are not perfect, and we won’t really know until a year or two passes. But the national pundits are the best we have right now, and at least they are disinterested third parties, that should be more objective than most of us are, because they don’t have a dog in the fight for lack of a better term. The tough thing is comparing the grades, because this poll is on a different system. But the way they grade, B and B- grades put you in the bottom half to bottom third of their inflated grading system and those grades pretty much imply they thought the draft was not great. You also need their textual color along with their grades to get a sense for what they really think.

I say gawd dayum sah
 
There is only a few people on this site I firmly believe put in the work to scout players all the way down to the 7th round. I trust their opinion on players. I don’t expect to see them post here and if they do I can respect their opinion.

Threads like these have the tendency to bring out the most common arm chair warriors on the board. The people who definitely know way more than Grier and our FO, but would rather work their 9-5 than take their talents to the NFL.

I will go on record right now; this was Grier’s best draft since McDaniel became HC. It was also his best draft since 2016 where we landed Tunsil, Howard, Drake and Grant. Now I’m not saying this is some A+++ god tier draft. However, we got players who are day 1 starters, with no injury concerns, and are still young with room to develop. I don’t care about the past. We needed OL and DL starters and we got them.
Let’s hope your predictions of the future come to fruition.
 
So I'll say this, if you don't like the players, that is fine and I will not fault you for that. But this draft had a clear gameplan and a philosophy.

Miami needed to get tougher, and we had to change the culture in the locker room. Everybody we have drafted are team captains who are known as first guys in last guy out types who also push teammates to get better. Only players I'm not super familiar with is the 2 DBs we drafted in 5th round, but looking at their film I got a similar impression as I got from Patrick McMorris where the style fits the defense. They look like Baltimore defenders.

Grant/Jonah/Phillips are starters heavy contributors.

Quinn Ewers as a developmental 7th round pick is worth the risk. This isn't a 25 year old Skylar Thompson who threw 12 TDs at Kansas State. This is the former top QB in country coming off a 30 plus TD 3k passing season for a national semi finalist at 21/22 years old. Should have gone back to school, but as a developmental piece fine.

We haven't made our final pick at this point, but I do love the philosophy this draft.
 
There is only a few people on this site I firmly believe put in the work to scout players all the way down to the 7th round. I trust their opinion on players. I don’t expect to see them post here and if they do I can respect their opinion.

Threads like these have the tendency to bring out the most common arm chair warriors on the board. The people who definitely know way more than Grier and our FO, but would rather work their 9-5 than take their talents to the NFL.

I will go on record right now; this was Grier’s best draft since McDaniel became HC. It was also his best draft since 2016 where we landed Tunsil, Howard, Drake and Grant. Now I’m not saying this is some A+++ god tier draft. However, we got players who are day 1 starters, with no injury concerns, and are still young with room to develop. I don’t care about the past. We needed OL and DL starters and we got them.
Also, this draft emphasized physicality. Grant and Savaiinaea are in the argument as the most physical players at their positions. Booker may have the edge at guard in terms of physical play, but Savaiinaea moves better.

I don't pretend to know about the corner or safety picks.
 
So if I can summarize the OP, Grier overdrafted the two blue chip guys who aren't that good and should have just overpaid our older FA linemen even if that meant letting the starting QB and WRs walk (or not had them in the first place, it's not clear). Then it was a mistake not to draft more blue chip Day 1-2 talent in the 4th and 5th rounds. But despite all that it's still just a below average draft. Mkay pal.

I think this was a good draft, potentially transformational given how much size, power and bully character that was added. This looks like a lot more fun team for the players and added a lot of talent for Weaver to work with on the defensive side. My grade is above average. Could have been great but other teams snagged guys I really wanted within a few picks before ours at a couple of key spots. However I'm willing to admit the team might know better than me about which players will be successful in their scheme.
 
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