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Dilfer has a superbowl ring, won by his defense not him, so he must be better than Marino. Doug Williams as well. Kelly is the QB that failed, four trips to the dance, 2 of them with the best team in the nfl and failed. Superbowls are team accomplishments, BTW, Doug Williams destroyed Elway in that superbowl game. In my mind, and by the win the big one to be the best, Elway got beat so bad in that game that he was in the hole 2 SB wins before he ever won one. Please, one man can dominate a basketball game (1 vs 5 on offense and defense). One man cannot win a SB, hell for that matter one man cannot win one game in the nfl, 1 vs 22 just wont work.
Marino proved on the field that he was the best and he is the standard that QB's are now measured by.
 

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Dan is the greatest passing qb of all time no doubt but if were going by stats than we should say fran tarkenton was the greatest cause he did it before marino with the stats

Peyton Manning will probobly go down as the best

or

Tom Brady will get like 10 superbowl wins
 

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ch19079 said:
football is a team sport, but the QB is still the head, the leader, the general, of that team. he cant feel that he was sucessful if the team doesnt win the game. he doesnt have control of the D, but if the D gives up a last second hail mary, than his team still losses, and the QB failed to lead them to victory. it sucks for any QB, to have his carrer defined by a defensive play, droped pass, or special teams play which he has no control over and cost him the win, but he accepted that when he chose to play QB. thats the nature of the QB position. he is responsible for the win, or loss.

This was more true when QBs called their own plays, but in today's game that is a very simplistic view. Reality is that using team championships to analyse individual play is very poor analysis b/c it uses criteria outside the control of the individual. And BTW every position feels unsuccessful when they lose, not just QBs. The reason is they missed on team goals. This has no bearing on whether they reached individual goals and, to any discerning analyst, has no bearing on their individual greatness.
 

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i may be biased but i think Dan Marino is the best.

i think we all can agree no matter what, Marino is the best player period, that never one a championship. no matter what sport.
 

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Buddwalk said:
Dan is the greatest passing qb of all time no doubt but if were going by stats than we should say fran tarkenton was the greatest cause he did it before marino with the stats

Peyton Manning will probobly go down as the best

or

Tom Brady will get like 10 superbowl wins


he wont get 10 but he definitely will end up with 5 ......
 

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Well look at one stat tht says it all when it comes soley down to the QB.
Int's per attempt. Now what? Sure it changes everything.

Top 20 all time by current Qb rating system.(this is a seevral years old now)
1 Steve Young
2 Joe Montana
3 Dan Marino
4 Brett Favre ( wait....not Elway)
5 Jim Kelly (your props Bills fans')
6 Troy Aikman (speaking of SB wins/ if JJ stayed they would have 5)
7 Roger Staubach
8 Fran Tarkenton ( where is Elway/must of forgot to figure him in/oh, he's next)
9 Neal Lomax (WHAT! They did forget about him)
10 Sonny Jurgensen(Yes, he was real good)
11 Len Dawson
12 Ken Anderson
13 David Kreig (The ohh so mobile Elway broke his sack record)
14 Neil O'Donnell
15 Danny White
16 Bernie Kosar
17 Warren Moon
18 Boomer Esiason (Hey Boomer...can you sniff Marino's *** from down there)
19 Ken O'Brien ( and at last)
20 Bart Star




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Where is Elway? OR Unitas&Fouts. All of which have 40,000 yds.
So it is not merely stats now is it.
 

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Jnaledu3 said:
1. Elway
2. Unitas
3. Marino
4. Montana

I'm glad somebody bothered to metion Unitas. We need to make a distinction between the NFL (modern) as most of us know it and the NFL of yore(w/o AFL merger).
 

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Stating some points from the article.
The system gives a BIG FAT 0 for longevity.
The current system gives = weight to % and yards per attempt(Isin't it harder to complete a 40 yard pass than a 10yarder)
Scenario: Favre starts off throwing a 20+ yard pass and gets hurt. In comes Rogers and throws 2, 5 yard passes and gets taken out. Rogers has a better game by this way of thinking. Why? Which took more skill?
The system rewards the short safe passes.
This in case is why the guys that threw down field for the most part are further down the list. Alla, Unitas, Fouts, O.Graham! The deeper the passes the less likely the completion! This dropps their % and their rank.

Yards per attempt should be given top priority. Qb's are brought in to throw the ball. Leadership is not the first quality that a qb needs. If it was than Colin Powell oght to suit of for the Skins.
 

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How different would it have been if Dan wouldn't have suffered the Achilles injury? Or what if it would have happened to Elway?
 

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I am trying to break it up alittle.

The CS(current system) also gives = importance to int% and avg. yds per pass.
TD% and comp % are =

It then states how O'donnell, Kosar,and Hostetler threw fewer Int's than Marino & Unitas, . Why? Short safe passes.
 

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If Marino stayed healthy, he would be ahead of Elway in victories by far(longevity is a point, but look at consecutive games for Marino and all of the others (except Manning and Favre)
The fins looked good that year...wait awsome.
 

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rafael said:
This was more true when QBs called their own plays, but in today's game that is a very simplistic view. Reality is that using team championships to analyse individual play is very poor analysis b/c it uses criteria outside the control of the individual. And BTW every position feels unsuccessful when they lose, not just QBs. The reason is they missed on team goals. This has no bearing on whether they reached individual goals and, to any discerning analyst, has no bearing on their individual greatness.

im not saying that SB victories are the only factor when determining who is the greatest.

but it HAS to be A factor.

so simply winning 8 SBs wont make you the best. but a QB with slightly less stats but a SB victory, will be put ahead of the QB that has no SB victories and great stats.

its like a giant scale. stats weight little, while SB victories weight more.
and you performance in playoff games, and all around dominance weigh the most. and its tough to be the heaviest when you only have 2 of the 3.

im just saying Marino doesnt have enough weight on his side of the scale when compared to the top QBs. (though he could be #2 or #3).
 
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