Gus DOES drag us down (situational stats)

[tylerdolphin]

Last 7 minutes of a game:
50% comp.
6.29 YPA
5 TDs
5 INTs
66.9 rating

3rd Down
41.4% comp.
5.35 YPA
5 TDs
5 INTs
56.2 rating

When Behind
48.3% Comp
5.5 YPA
5 TDs
8 INTs
58.9 rating



Do we really want Gus over McNair, McCown, ect.

 

[Phin-o-rama]

chambers first probowl year was with gus kthxbai

 

[Dors156]

chambers first probowl year was with gus kthxbai

thats a good point but the first point was good to about thrid downs and when behind.

 

[insomnia411]

I'd doubt Mcnair's stats were much better under those circumstances, and McCown has Feeley written all over him. If Brees tests the market, go get him.

 

[SCall13]

Last 7 minutes of a game:
50% comp.
6.29 YPA
5 TDs
5 INTs
66.9 rating

3rd Down
41.4% comp.
5.35 YPA
5 TDs
5 INTs
56.2 rating

When Behind
48.3% Comp
5.5 YPA
5 TDs
8 INTs
58.9 rating



Do we really want Gus over McNair, McCown, ect.

I'm not really defended Gus here, just pointing some stuff out that is my opinion and is more than likely supported with facts. 3rd downs are tough for any QB, especially if it's a 3rd and somewhat long situation. And the toughest time for most QBs are when coming from behind because the defense usually knows the pass is coming. I'd like to see these stats compared to other QBs in the league.

 

[dcm]

Last 7 minutes of a game:
50% comp.
6.29 YPA
5 TDs
5 INTs
66.9 rating

3rd Down
41.4% comp.
5.35 YPA
5 TDs
5 INTs
56.2 rating

When Behind
48.3% Comp
5.5 YPA
5 TDs
8 INTs
58.9 rating



Do we really want Gus over McNair, McCown, ect.

To be fair...... can you post McNair and McCown's numbers in those same scenarios?

 

[CChambers7284]

Gus is Gus
He isnt great, he really isnt even good but he did do an ok job for us and brought out the best in CC this season.

 

[nopony]

chambers first probowl year was with gus kthxbai

:shakeno:

It was with Reggie Howard, too. And that's almost as relevant.

Take a look at the stats and the games. Sage pushed Chambers over the edge into the pro-bowl, not Gus.

 

[Shouright]

I'm not really defended Gus here, just pointing some stuff out that is my opinion and is more than likely supported with facts. 3rd downs are tough for any QB, especially if it's a 3rd and somewhat long situation. And the toughest time for most QBs are when coming from behind because the defense usually knows the pass is coming. I'd like to see these stats compared to other QBs in the league.

Right -- it's a good "experiment," but you need a "control group." If Gus's numbers aren't significantly worse than those of the pro-bowl QBs in these categories, then you could actually make the argument that Gus is GOOD.

Now I don't expect that to happen, but you have to provide the other data to be able to make any conclusion.

 

[tylerdolphin]

To be fair...... can you post McNair and McCown's numbers in those same scenarios?

Sure. Havent looked at them, so I could be wrong in thinking that they were better.

 

[Fineas]

Gus hardly brought out the best in Chambers. In one game's worth of time, Chambers caught 16 passes for 281 yards from Sage. With Gus, he averaged 4.4 catches and 55 yards per game. Sage brought out the best in Chambers. Without him, Chambers' numbers would have been worse than the past few years with Fiedler and Feeley.

 

[nopony]

I'm not really defended Gus here, just pointing some stuff out that is my opinion and is more than likely supported with facts. 3rd downs are tough for any QB, especially if it's a 3rd and somewhat long situation. And the toughest time for most QBs are when coming from behind because the defense usually knows the pass is coming. I'd like to see these stats compared to other QBs in the league.

That's a good point, and true. But likely most Qbs will still be much better than Gus, because over the long haul, while they are likely to see a similiar 3rd down drop, they had farther to fall.

I haven't looked at the numbers, but my guess is that McNair on 3rd down is about as good as Gus overall. Given a large enough sample.

I don't really care about McCown, he hasn't played enough to show me anythin.

 

[eddie4fins]

Last 7 minutes of a game:
50% comp.
6.29 YPA
5 TDs
5 INTs
66.9 rating

3rd Down
41.4% comp.
5.35 YPA
5 TDs
5 INTs
56.2 rating

When Behind
48.3% Comp
5.5 YPA
5 TDs
8 INTs
58.9 rating



Do we really want Gus over McNair, McCown, ect.

We went from 4 wins last year to 9 this year, some people will never be happy! We all agree we need to upgrade the position, but why bring in another transition guy when we already have him.

 

[SR 7]

thats a good point but the first point was good to about thrid downs and when behind.

CC has NOTHIGN to do with gus's so DONT. look at booker he was a probowler, what has he been since? jsut a good WR. GUS is GUS, leave CC out of it. THOSE ARE UNACCEPTABLE stats

 

[tylerdolphin]

Last 7 minutes of a game:
50% comp.
6.29 YPA
5 TDs
5 INTs
66.9 rating

3rd Down
41.4% comp.
5.35 YPA
5 TDs
5 INTs
56.2 rating

When Behind
48.3% Comp
5.5 YPA
5 TDs
8 INTs
58.9 rating



Do we really want Gus over McNair, McCown, ect.

Steve McNair
Last 7 minutes
60.9% comp.
6.49 YPA
2 TDs
2 INTs
78.4 rating

3rd Down
53.6% comp.
5.46 YPA
3 TDs
2 INTs
70.7 rating

When Behind
63.1% comp.
6.7 YPA
7 TDs
4 INTs
85.2 rating

McNair is obviously much better than Frerotte. Ill look up McCown now.