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Hafley Calling the Defense - Good, Bad, Indifferent?

Feelings On Hafley Calling Defensive Plays During The Game

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I would prefer the play callers on both sides of the ball be solely dedicated to that task during the game.

But calling the Defense is not quite as time consuming as playing plays on Offense so I am not worried about it.

My hope is that once Hafley settles in and establishes himself in Miami he turns the Defense over to a proper DC and does the CEO of the team thing.
 
As everyone knows by now, Hafley will be calling the defense for the Dolphins.

Back in the day, head coaches ran the team like an executive, and did not call plays. Now, it is the norm and about 60%-70% of coaches do call plays. I do not like it. Not a new concept from me either, I was on record prior to the Hafley hire saying I wanted a CEO head coach that was not calling plays.

I want the head coach to be the CEO, and focus on the bigger picture aspects of the game during the week of preparation for the game, and during the game itself. Under McDaniel, during the game, we butchered things left and right for four years straight. I cannot help but think McDaniel having his face buried in the play sheet was part of the problem. Plays coming in late, bad replay review decisions, lack of in game adjustments, poor game management decisions (clock management, etc), bad tactical decisions (go or punt), and bad play calling. It is hard to do all things well.

I cannot prove it, but Sean Payton has a ton of experience, but he is such a control freak, he still wants the playsheet in his face. He made the dumb decision to go for it on 4th and 1 instead of kicking the field goal early in the AFC Championship game. On top of it, he called a stupid play. I wonder if the fact that he was the play caller distracted him from making the correct big picture decision? At the same time, Vrabel, who was not calling plays, had his game management totally dialed in. How about the play at the end of the first half when Drake Maye slid down, and Vrabel instantly called the time out to preserve the 1 second on the clock, so they could try the field goal. He was right on top of the situation, probably before the play even went off. Because he was focused on game management and not the play calling, he was easily able to think about what to do next.

Further, I feel like the inability to turn over defensive play calling to a DC shows a lack of ability to delegate responsibility. Defensive play calling is probably less value added than offensive play calling, and if a coach cannot let go of that, I just worry about their ability to manage and delegate. Is it really that critical to call defensive plays relative to the time and focus it takes away from the other things that are important with regard to being the CEO of the team?

Also, have the Dolphins even hired the genius assistant head coach guy that sits in the booth and helps the HC with all the game management decisions? Belichick for example, who wasn't calling plays, still had Ernie Adams up in the booth helping him figure this stuff out. Vrabel has a guy named John Streicher doing the same thing: https://archive.is/hopLI.

Hafley needs a guy like this, does he have one? I am concerned by some of the coaching staff hires so far (this is what happens when you don't have a lot of experience and relationships), and since Hafley will be calling plays we should have someone like this on staff.

Here is an interesting bit of trivia - there has not been a single head coach calling the defense to ever win a Super Bowl. Of course, that could change this weekend. Even if Seattle loses, there is no shame going to the Super Bowl. There are exceptions to every rule. Just because Mike Macdonald has managed to make it work, does not mean it is the best decision, or that it will work for every team.

Caveat to the voting - the teams record is not the sole determinant of whether or not Hafley calling plays is good or bad. We will probably stink regardless. But you can look past the teams record to form a view as to whether or not the game management side of things seems dialed in, or it feels like a mess. The same for Hafley's defensive play calling. You should be able to tell if it seems differentially good or something a competent DC should be able to do.
While I totally agree w your position on CEO vs play calling, didn’t Beleicheat always call his defenses and the coordinator was kinda a glorified assistant?
 
While I totally agree w your position on CEO vs play calling, didn’t Beleicheat always call his defenses and the coordinator was kinda a glorified assistant?
Belichick turned over the play calling and had some very good dcs. But he was very involved in the game planning and adjustments and scheme. Which is what I prefer the HC to focus on
 
Upstairs in a booth is the traditional place for defensive coordinators.

The DC has a lot of assts in the booth feeding info, whether in the booth or on the field. My preference is in the booth, but it depends on the DC and quality of assts. He doesn't do it on his own
 
I don't like it because the GB defense is outdated & boring. I wanted an attacking 3-4 D coach to match our current personnel so we wouldn't have to replace even more players we can't afford.

I also didn't want him focusing on one side of the ball since our results with those coaches suck ... but more for superstitious reasons.
 
If he deploys the wide 9 like rumored, Miami will never be good defensively. They don't have the personnel to run it. The DT's don't have the short area quickness to cover the gaps and they don't have the edge players who can stop the run and rush the passer. And lastly Chop Robinson isn't going to suddenly become a force when all he's done up to this point is be a lost cause. If unblocked, he'll make some plays. But when engaged with an offensive player, he's been invisible. Not the player I'd count one in any situation.

So my answer is, No!!!

I feel sorry for us fans, because if these rumors are true, Miami's defense will return to the abyss.
Is that true? I did not realize everyone felt Chop was a bust or at least on that pathway. If he is a bust, he is another Grier trade up and fail.
 
Would prefer a head coach not. Such a disadvantage calling from the sideline. Almost impossible to see the whole field and pick out the little things. Yes may have someone looking for that info but still will be delayed and it just piles on to making things more difficult to learn to be a head coach. I guess it doesn’t matter too much next year just hope to see if the defense is struggling, his ego won’t get in the way of giving up play calling unlike mcdaniel’s
 
Right, but he’s now a head coach on the sideline and also calling plays. I’m just notating that… and that’s A LOT of change.

It will be an interesting thing to keep an eye on.
His DC is a guy he's worked with for a long time. It's very likely that the DC says, 'Hey, Haf. I recommend this play' and Haf says, 'Yes' 50% of the time. That's why he chose him as DC. They probably collaborate well together.
 
Well that's how he made it up the ranks by being really good at it.

I don't see the issue with it, as long as he doesn't lose sight of being the Head Coach, making adjustments, instilling team discipline during games, managing head coach responsibilities, being the CEO...if he can be that and call a great defensive strategy in games, we are better off for it.

Just don't be like the other bums we've had that relinquished HC responsibilities and only focus on his 1 area of expertise.
 
Almost impossible to see the whole field and pick out the little things
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His DC is a guy he's worked with for a long time. It's very likely that the DC says, 'Hey, Haf. I recommend this play' and Haf says, 'Yes' 50% of the time. That's why he chose him as DC. They probably collaborate well together.
This is a good counter point IMO. It could be more like how a catcher offers the pitcher options and he simply yes/nos vs trying to figure out what he wants each play. McDaniel looked like he was trying to re-dissect every fine nuance of each play for each situation every time he had to call a play.
 
As long as the offense heavily features the Annexation of Puerto Rico I'm good with whatever the defense does...
 
He called plays from the booth in Green Bay, I always wonder how the switch can change a play callers perspective.
that is an interesting point. i didn't know that. kind of a double whammy. has to adjust to doing it from the field, while at the same time managing the whole team and the game. i just don't like it.
 
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