First of all I plan on getting many negative replies from this post don't really care I'm a Christian Minister and I have a passion for hurting men. This whole Jonanthan Martin thing is a problem with men not knowing how to handle another man that is hurting, may have emotional or mental health issues. As men we want to distance ourselves from that type of dude. He is regarded as weak, punk. soft etc. When men are hurt by other people or suffer low self esteem we express it through violence, anger, uncaring attitudes all negative destructive behavior. We are not given an outlet to express these feelings. What happens if Jonathan Martin comes back in that cafeteria and shoots up the place which is a real possibility when someone is getting hurt and they reach theyre breaking point. This is why we have so many absentee fathers, over crowded prisons, men don't smile looking mean and menacing is now the norm especially in black culture. My view towards sports is changing as I get older and wiser. I can know longer separate what someone does on the field from what they do off. I value the Tony Dungy's, the well run organizations who look after their players and run as clean as possible locker rooms. We are all human and we are going to make bad choices I get that but an whole locker room should not be out of control. These are grown men at least I thought not high schoolers or college students. If grown men act like this then this society does have a big problem. I didn't teach my child to be like this toward people. My daughter was very smart and good looking but she always offered the nerdy girl to sit by her at lunch, to offer her a kind smile and to treat her with respect. I wonder what many on this board are teaching there kids. Yes there are times as men when we need to toughen up and pull our man card. God built that primal instinct into every man. We need to hunt, protect and be a go getter for our survival and for our family's. But there are times when we need to turn that off and be loving, careful and respectful to our fellow man. A football locker room fits none of what I said about that primal instinct. Furthermore just because a man is physically tough and Ii believe Martin is that you don't get this far in this sport without it, doesn't mean you are emotionally tough. Some people hate violence and no a football game is not fighting for your life when someone truly hates you and wants to take you out. Just my thoughts. I won't write another post like this again. If I change one heart towards there fellow man then this post is worth it. It's my God honored duty as one of his disciples.
Handling Of Jonathan Martin A Bigger Problem Of Society
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It's pretty simple every man has their breaking point. People that don't believe me can go read the book Damn Few, you will know the author as the Seal Team Leader in Act Of Valor. He is now in charge of the BUDS program and he flat out says they know they can break every student that walks through the door, but that's not the point. People want to believe this was a isolated incident with Martin, they call him and his lawyers liars when they claim Martin was harassed for a year and a half. The organization failed because it was their job to keep Martin from his breaking point instead they accelerated him to it.
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I look at this differently. I see this is a case of a kid that had never been talked to in a disrespectful way with a wealthy upbringing that was placed in completely alien situation. His stress was increased with failing performance at his chosen profession. Add to that a "legal team" at home that looks at the world through that "cracked lens", and the potential for a huge lawsuit against a billionaire owner and a multi-billion dollar entity (the NFL). They are seeing life changing $$$ now. This is like waving cut tuna in front of a shark.
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You really think Jim Harbaugh never chewed his ass out?
I just don't think the kid is an NFL football player. He sucks on the field and has problems with the pressures associated with the NFL.
I'm sure there are other things in life for him to do, I hope his college education allows him to do so.
I'm sure there are other things in life for him to do, I hope his college education allows him to do so.
Wait to hear all the verbal and physical abuse that Martin endured from our sociopath in training, Richie. I am not convinced that this is about the $ - I don't think that it is. I think that you are right, that he was struggling in his chosen profession, but he reached his breaking point and walked away and checked himself into a hospital. We should be thankful that he didn't drive home and blow his brains out. It is a sad story about people that was very poorly managed. My bet is that this is not about the $. Martin is a genuine intellectual and comes from a wealthy family of high achievers. He probably is driven more by realizing his football goals than making more money. Feel free to call me naive.
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I haven't heard much about another angle. Some in the media speak of it but it is certainly the minority that do. That is the area of responsibility from Martin. None of us know all that has happened so basically my point here is just a out loud thought. But Martin wanted to play football for a profession. Certainly he knew as he went through his rookie year that professional football wasn't for him. Certainly he knew he was struggling on the field and internally off the field. Could there been a way that was better in terms of handling all the stuff instead of what actually he did? I think so. I don't blame him but he is certainly partly to blame. Incognito, Martin, the NFL culture, the Dolphins organization are all to blame. My point is Martin could have handled it better.
Jon Martin would probably be the first to agree that he should have handled it better. But a very wise man once told me that it is what it is. The fact that you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, doesn't absolve Dolphin management and coaching of handling it poorly.
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I agree with that and I am not saying the Dolphin organization shouldn't face consequences. It boils down to every party sharing the blame because each could impact the situation by becoming more responsible themselves. The organization should have been aggressive in finding help for Martin if they knew about his struggles. Martin should have taken the initiative in finding help and expressing himself to his teammates, etc. Perhaps this all could have been avoided but now it is out of the bottle as you say. Hopefully everyone will become better down the road.
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For the most part I agree with what you said, but wow... that first sentence could've been phrased better.
For instance, "...I have a passion for helping men who are hurting."
My take: I think Richie was the wrong, il-advised messenger to deliver the right message. However, no matter how benignly it was delivered and by whom, IMO it would have landed on deaf ears nevertheless.
No doubt Martin comes from privilege, the conditioned product of effete ivory tower philosophies re how the world goes round - or at least should. Also that he's an impressionable "mama's boy" and long-susceptible to her ideas and opinions.
An uncorroborated theory of mine is that he's by nature a soft, sensitive sort, maybe gender conflicted, maybe not. However, as a concern by mama, because of his size, she cajoled and pressured and incentivized him into playing football in the hope of having him man up with more macho role models than his dad. And for awhile it worked in High School and at Stanford, which was probably a wise choice, vs an Alabama, FL or Ohio State where he'd be less coddled and more inviting of the kind of locker room "abuse" he claims to have suffered in Miami. Being drafted as high as he was, it was an ego thing and he over-estimated who he thought he became and his ability to fit in. Then as we all know, reality intruded. As his being a delicate fish out of water wore more on his psyche, he began using and then abusing drugs as an escape. From there it quickly escalated going downhill as drugs addled his perception of reality and coping mechanisms and then as we all know, he imploded. So there's plenty of condemnation to go around - not the least deserving are his parents in this mix.
At least that's my theory, for now :idk:
No doubt Martin comes from privilege, the conditioned product of effete ivory tower philosophies re how the world goes round - or at least should. Also that he's an impressionable "mama's boy" and long-susceptible to her ideas and opinions.
An uncorroborated theory of mine is that he's by nature a soft, sensitive sort, maybe gender conflicted, maybe not. However, as a concern by mama, because of his size, she cajoled and pressured and incentivized him into playing football in the hope of having him man up with more macho role models than his dad. And for awhile it worked in High School and at Stanford, which was probably a wise choice, vs an Alabama, FL or Ohio State where he'd be less coddled and more inviting of the kind of locker room "abuse" he claims to have suffered in Miami. Being drafted as high as he was, it was an ego thing and he over-estimated who he thought he became and his ability to fit in. Then as we all know, reality intruded. As his being a delicate fish out of water wore more on his psyche, he began using and then abusing drugs as an escape. From there it quickly escalated going downhill as drugs addled his perception of reality and coping mechanisms and then as we all know, he imploded. So there's plenty of condemnation to go around - not the least deserving are his parents in this mix.
At least that's my theory, for now :idk:
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I have no problem with what the OP has to say, just not convinced it applies here, based on the evidence that Martin was as much a perpetrator as victim, and further evidence that he has an agenda beyond escaping the emotional pain.