Harbaugh: All Hype, No Track Record

[hoops]

the guy put an offense together that blew ve techs minds a few days ago and i'm hearing randy shannon comparisons...lol

i swear some of you guys don't know a football from a hand grenade...

 

[matt11390]

Jim Harbaugh's record at Stanford: 29-21.

Randy Shannon's record at UM: 28-22.

And we're ready to make this guy the highest paid coach in the NFL because.....?

I just don't get the hype. I agree that we need a change, and we need one BAD. I am tired of going through the same season every year...going 7-9, 8-8, 9-7...good enough to be around .500, but bad enough to miss the playoffs and get a mid round pick. But with that said, I'm not going to be doing backflips if we get Harbaugh as our new coach. The guy is unproven, and nobody can truly say that he WILL be a good NFL coach. There's no facts or logic to support that statement. As a Dolphins fan, I hope he is a great NFL coach if we do in fact sign him, but what's with all this hype for a guy that has 1 more win at Stanford than Randy Shannon had at UM? :err:

I can understand your opinion and I have some similar ones after Saban. But in reality, can any coach be a guarentee winner? We brought Jimmy Johnson in here after he won a recent super bowl and nothing happened. We have brought a rookie HC in and nothing happened. Honestly it is a crap shoot no matter who the HC is, whether proven or not. But what is exciting about Harbaugh is his offensive philosophy and leadership quality that we didn't have with Sparano. Add Harbaugh to Nolan's defensive leadership and the two make an exciting pair. Let's hope if Harbaugh comes we finally see success on the field.

 

[DoLPhiNsDyNaStY]

I can understand your opinion and I have some similar ones after Saban. But in reality, can any coach be a guarentee winner? We brought Jimmy Johnson in here after he won a recent super bowl and nothing happened. We have brought a rookie HC in and nothing happened. Honestly it is a crap shoot no matter who the HC is, whether proven or not. But what is exciting about Harbaugh is his offensive philosophy and leadership quality that we didn't have with Sparano. Add Harbaugh to Nolan's defensive leadership and the two make an exciting pair. Let's hope if Harbaugh comes we finally see success on the field.

Smartest response I've gotten so far. Some people just prefer to think emotionally instead of logically besides the post above this one. Nobody said Harbaugh = Shannon...all I said was that his record at Stanford was basically the same as Shannon's at UM. And that's a fact. Men and women lie, but numbers dont. It's just illogical for so many people to be on a bandwagon of an unproven coach with not much of a successful track record. And we're willing to make this guy the highest paid coach in the NFL? WHY? Paying him more money than any coach in the NFL is like paying Sam Bradford more money than Peyton Manning or Tom Brady...it's illogical. You can't argue that, I'm sorry.

 

[FinsFan74]

Smartest response I've gotten so far. Some people just prefer to think emotionally instead of logically besides the post above this one. Nobody said Harbaugh = Shannon...all I said was that his record at Stanford was basically the same as Shannon's at UM. And that's a fact. Men and women lie, but numbers dont. It's just illogical for so many people to be on a bandwagon of an unproven coach with not much of a successful track record. And we're willing to make this guy the highest paid coach in the NFL? WHY? Paying him more money than any coach in the NFL is like paying Sam Bradford more money than Peyton Manning or Tom Brady...it's illogical. You can't argue that, I'm sorry.

So being logical is starting a thread about a coach that's all hype? Very interesting.

 

[FinHopeful]

Jim Harbaugh's record at Stanford: 29-21.

Randy Shannon's record at UM: 28-22.

The problem with your comparison is the rankings of the recruiting classes for 2007, 2008, and 2009 recruiting classes.

Year -- Standford -- Michigan
2007 -- not ranked -- 12
2008 -- 50 -- 10
2009 -- 22 -- 8

Michigan had top 12 recuiting class for all three years. Standford had poor recruiting in 2007 and 2008. Harbaugh over achieved. Shannon under achieved. Further, Shannon's tenure led to a falling recruiting class ranking while Harbaugh has an improving ranking as illustrated below.

Year -- Standford -- Michigan
2010 -- 26 -- 20
2011 -- 11 -- 37

The drop in recruiting class ranking is enough to fire Shannon. Add the underachievement an good bye.

 

[ohall]

Jim Harbaugh's record at Stanford: 29-21.

Randy Shannon's record at UM: 28-22.

And we're ready to make this guy the highest paid coach in the NFL because.....?

I just don't get the hype. I agree that we need a change, and we need one BAD. I am tired of going through the same season every year...going 7-9, 8-8, 9-7...good enough to be around .500, but bad enough to miss the playoffs and get a mid round pick. But with that said, I'm not going to be doing backflips if we get Harbaugh as our new coach. The guy is unproven, and nobody can truly say that he WILL be a good NFL coach. There's no facts or logic to support that statement. As a Dolphins fan, I hope he is a great NFL coach if we do in fact sign him, but what's with all this hype for a guy that has 1 more win at Stanford than Randy Shannon had at UM? :err:

I'm not exactly over joyed right now about this likely hiring, but he is a legit hiring for a NFL franchise. It's not what I'd do, because of the Saban fiasco, but he is a good NFL HC prospect.

 

[DolfanISS]

Well maybe now we have one of the 2 pieces needed to be a successful NFL team, a head coach. However if Harbaugh doesn't solv the Marino curse and get himself a QB he will be another statistic of failed post Shula head coaches in Miami.

 

[nosleep]

Harbaugh's offense was ranked:

9th in total points scored
12th in total offense

out of 120 teams

So he understands you have to score points to win games...

I'll take it!

 

[finsfanjay13]

Okay, for the 1000th time (I may just have to create a thread so everyone can see it), you cannot compare Harbaugh to Saban because the recruiting is different. Harbaugh as a recruiter at Stanford cannot recruit the same players that Saban can because of the academic requirements at Stanford. To take a Stanford team to 12-1 is insanely impressive. There's no other way to say it. This doesn't guarantee success in the NFL, but he has proven that he can get it done in the college ranks.

Also, remember that at the University of San Diego he was coaching NON-SCHOLARSHIP players. He took that team to an 11-1 record in 2005.

 

[fgrocker]

The problem with your comparison is the rankings of the recruiting classes for 2007, 2008, and 2009 recruiting classes.

Year -- Standford -- Michigan
2007 -- not ranked -- 12
2008 -- 50 -- 10
2009 -- 22 -- 8

Michigan had top 12 recuiting class for all three years. Standford had poor recruiting in 2007 and 2008. Harbaugh over achieved. Shannon under achieved. Further, Shannon's tenure led to a falling recruiting class ranking while Harbaugh has an improving ranking as illustrated below.

Year -- Standford -- Michigan
2010 -- 26 -- 20
2011 -- 11 -- 37

The drop in recruiting class ranking is enough to fire Shannon. Add the underachievement an good bye.

Before someone flames the crap out of your post: UM = University of Miami (not Michigan) in this case.

 

[fgrocker]

Isn't the worth of a head coach determined by the progress they make with a team? It's simple to become a coach on a great team and win (Caldwell), but the best coaches enter a bad situation and make progress. Here is Harbaugh's coaching record for the two schools he was HC at:

U of San Diego:
2003 (last year before Harbaugh): 6-6
2004: 7-4
2005: 11-1
2006: 11-1

Stanford:
2006 (last year before Harbaugh): 1-11
2007: 4-8
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5
2010: 12-1

This is the type of progress the Dolphins need to see. Sign him and let him get started on personnel decisions ASAP.

On a side note, he had Josh Johnson for all his years at USD and Andrew Luck for the last two at Stanford. Seems like we may not be having many QB development problems in the near future with him on our side.

 

[Daytona Fin]

I disagree on John Harbuagh, I don't recall any hype around him. I remember that move being questioned by many "experts".

Jim did not make Luck, he helped Luck. Luck was going to be the #1 pick regardless of where he went.

junc just give it up , you dont know nothing about harbaugh , luck, or stanford. you read a couple articles today and now youre an expert. now go crawl back under your bridge.

 

[nyjunc]

junc just give it up , you dont know nothing about harbaugh , luck, or stanford. you read a couple articles today and now youre an expert. now go crawl back under your bridge.

You know we were discussing JOHN Harbuagh, right? I love when people butt in and look foolish.

 

[Clipse]

Oh great, another person who doesn't know what great coaching looks like. Another person who compares two people that have nothing in common. Congratulations, your an idiot.